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Obama laid out in 2008 in that it is incrementalist. is he focused on reducing american exposure overseas and treating terrorism through kind of death of a thousand cuts. this travel ban doesn't -- it's not going to stop every terrorist attack. but as one tool in the toolbox, it can help manage the problem which is a little bit how president obama addressed the terrorism problem throughout the course of his presidency. steve: sure. and you wrote in the new york daily news in an op-ed yesterday that the last two presidents we had, president obama you said incrementally took on counter terrorism...

You can't criticize a judge. i don't think judge gorsuch would say you can't criticize -- chris: no, he said these comments were disheartening and demoralizing. he said it not only to senator blumenthal, he said it to ben sass, a republican. >> kelly ayotte put out a statement, that is not what she said he said. what we do know is senator blumenthal -- we all know his vietnam scandal, how much he has a credibility problem. it's a serious problem. that's what should be the focus of this conversation, the degree to which that senator has a serious credibility issue. but not to get off track here...

I don't think judge gorsuch would say you can't criticize -- chris: no, he said these comments were disheartening and demoralizing. he said it not only to senator blumenthal, he said it to ben sass, a republican. >> kelly ayotte put out a statement, that is not what she said he said. what we do know is senator blumenthal -- we all know his vietnam scandal, how much he has a credibility problem. it's a serious problem. that's what should be the focus of this conversation, the degree to which that senator has a serious credibility issue. but not to get off track here because we're going all over...

But not to get off track here because we're going all over the place. let's be very clear and straight forward in saying the following: the united states of america has a terrorism problem. we have had hundreds of cases of foreign nationals entering our country from other countries and plotting, attempting or even carrying out terrorist attacks. we spend countless dollars a year, and we have thousands of federal officers and investigators who do nothing but run around the country trying the stop terrorist attacks for no other reason than because we make the mistake of letting people in who har...

Terrorist recruitment. >> it only takes once and the immigration vetting is sloppy and porus and this is us getting stronger and tighter. >> the immigration vetting is the tightest vetting we have. it takes an average of two years for a refugee to be vetted. if you're worried about potential terrorism, by the way, the terrorist incidences we have here are home grown american terrorists. people born here and radicalized but if you're looking at people coming into the country look at the 20 million tourists that come in every year. some of them from european countries that have a terrorism probl...