>> when you look at that number, 854,000 people have top secret clearance. i don't know what the numbers should be, but that seems like an awful lot of people with top secret clearance. what's your assessment? >> it's absolutely ridiculous, and the problem with the federal government, when they have a new program, they just grow and grow and grow. when i was at nypd, we had a terrorism program that was largely regarded as a very good one. we did that with the existing resources of the police department. we took them from other places, we didn't just keep growing and growing and expanding and e...