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Homes. firefighters are finally starting to get handle on that fire. right now it's about 40% contained. the fbi director is getting questions about those surveillance programs that are causing so much debate. he defending the program in hearing. it happened earlier today. he says it's crucial in helping connect the dots about possible terrorist plots. i want to bring in joe johns talking about what he said in this hearing and how did he defend some of these surveillance programs. a lot of people worried about this. >> that's true. the outgoing fbi director appearing before the senate judici...

Fear so people will submit to whatever they want to do. there is zero evidence as people on the intelligence committee said this program of collecting everybody's phone records as opposed to just terrorists to keep them safe is reciting from the same handbook they use. >> when they say that more than 50 plots globally have been foiled as a direct result of the surveillance, are they lying? >> no, it's not that they are lying. it's misleading. when the bush administration got caught spying and ease dropping on americans without warrants they said this program is necessary because it will stop t...

He tells me this young mother, 30 years old could come and go as she wanted to. that everything, all these facts, simply aren't true. but investigators believe her. >> scott taylor, fabulous reporting. bizarre case, so thank you. now to capitol hill, where the house intelligence committee held a rare public hearing on the secret surveillance programs, those programs recently revealed by the nsa contractor edward snowden. for the first time, officials shared details about the surveillance the government conducts. general keith alexander, he's the chief of the nsa said the programs have helped...

Believe if the nsa is collecting millions and millions of phone records and telephones calls as they are it makes it more difficult for them to stop terrorist plots because they are collecting so much stuff they don't even know what they have. >> daniel ellsberg, i'm slightly torn. my reaction, i interviewed glen the day after this broke was one of pretty hefty shock and outrage at the scale of what was going on. at the same time i do think any government in america has got to be doing a lot of this kind of stuff to fight terrorism. as a man that broke the pentagon papers, where is the line? w...

Abbottabad, plug it into a database and have a call log right in front of them to see who terrorists are talking to. the president also says that programs like that have stopped dozens of terrorist plots. >> we've saved lives. we know of at least 50 threats that have been averted because of this information not just from the united states, but in some cases threats here in germany. >> reporter: and that statistic, about 50 terror attacks being stopped by surveillance programs, but also used -- was also used in an open hearing yesterday. and today house intelligence committee members are expect...