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Answered, the president might be pursuing issues of corruption in ukraine, which he never did. with a guy like lindsey graham, he's talking about how he liked joe biden very much. he really admires him. well, i think he's disqualifying himself from anybody liking him. he abandoned his friend john mccain when trump was attacking in. even after his death. now he's piling on to joe biden when he knows it isn't true. he's not a stupid guy. he understands the facts here, and he's just playing partisan politics in its meanest form. >> olivia, speaking of conflicts, rudy giuliani -- conflicts of inte...

When he knows it isn't true. he's not a stupid guy. he understands the facts here, and he's just playing partisan politics in its meanest form. >> olivia, speaking of conflicts, rudy giuliani -- conflicts of interest specifically. he's contradicted himself over ukraine in media appearances, accidentally dialed reporters and had some bizarre text exchanges. you actually wrote a piece about it. here's one you had with him that included a stop sign emoji. how effective can he be as a lawyer in he acts so erratically and really off the cuff like this? >> well, in some sense, in terms of him deflec...

Next day, is that right? >> that's what it says. >> now, let's go to that press statement that you were discussing in august. you testified, i believe, that you understood that rudy giuliani was representing the president's interests with regard to ukraine, is that right? >> that's what we all understood. >> who do you mean we all? >> secretary perry, ambassador volker, myself. >> in august you and ambassador volker were coordinating with andre yermak, the zelensky aide, about a press statement. i want to pull up some of the text exchanges that you are referring to which as you acknowledge hel...

Responded that he asked to set up the call for the next day, is that right? >> that's what it says. >> now, let's go to that press statement that you were discussing in august. and you testified, i believe, that you understood that b rudy giuliani was representing the president's interests with regard to ukraine, is that right? >> that's what we all understood. >> and "we all," who do you mean, "we all"? >> secretary perry, ambassador volker, myself. >> in august, you and ambassador volkeram were coordinating with andriy yermak, the zelensky aide, but a press statement. and i want to pull up s...

Cell phone conversation. but you know what? if the president of the united states is on a cell phone with the person and you're sitting with, i bet you'd pay attention to that. >> i know i would. >> why didn't he tell us before. >> why didn't he tell anybody before? >> he's a foreign service officer. they have a tradition of discretion and maybe that's -- >> why didn't sondland tell us before? >> sondland is a whole different story. there you have the question of, was he lying to protect the president, and that will certainly come up when he testifies next week. he's shaping up to be, i think,...