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Efforts in congress to come up with a coherent policy on immigration and have firmer control of our borders, which people want. there's nothing crazy about that. our system is unable to do it. and donald trump, rather than put together coalitions that could actually pass legislation, just plays this blame game. he arouses his base, gets them furious, blames the democrats for everything that goes wrong, and we see the absolute inability of congress after all this storm about zero tolerance and the borders unable to pass anything. we're really worse off than we were as a country coming up with a...

For being on the show. we appreciate your honesty on the policy. >> thank you so much, congressman. eae you with us. >> mike pence says he's a christian first, fantastic. i wonder if he has jefferson's bible, if he's cut out matthew 25. if he's cut out the part where jesus is asked by disciples who is going to be able to sit on your right hand and who will be cast away and jesus goes through the list and he talks about anyone that does this for the least among us is doing it to me, they will be with the sheep. those who don't will be with the goats. it's a straightforward, it's the red letters...

Were getting to see my town, the city of miami. so we know that these children whether soon be reunited with their families. >> congressman, do we know that? obviously any five-year-old, even if you take them to the super bowl, it's an extraordinary -- >> they want their mom or dad or aunt. >> i know you agree and i don't want anybody to misread what you're saying here. you would agree would t -- you not that this is an extraordinarily traumatic painful experience for a five-year-old ripped from their mother's arms. you agree with that first of all, correct? >> of course. and i strongly oppose...

Independent defense. one very prove accident european said we need a policy to speak softly and begin to build a big stick of our own so they can down the road defend themselves. people began to talk about whether they can ry on the u.s. nuclear deterrent. that's the scariest thing of all. if europeans decide we're just not credible as their defender, then we've tot do something about it. i think your points about the cars is exactly right. we missed part of how globalization really works. they invest in factories in america, they produce their cars with american works, sell them around the wo...

Jesus said it, i'll say it. let those who have ears to hear, hear, but that's just the reality. what donald trump said last night was a lie. the obama administration did n have this policy. this is a policy of donald trump to use the separation of 3-month-old children from their mothers as leverage in negotiations with democrats, true or false? >> well, the way in which trump having pushed this zero tolerance policy so hard until it produced a political firestorm and then saying this is really all the fault of barack obama is pretty typical. as i stand back and look at this, joe, i'm struck by...