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Will take over, i don't want to be the venezuela situation. where i can't -- arm a militia to protect myself. >> harris: i'm being the devil's advocate here. >> kennedy: people with guns have the power. it's true. that's one of the foundations of our democracy. but also i look at san francisco and i think they don't just disregard the second amendment. they despise the constitution. >> harris: it seems that way. i don't think the name calling helps. >> melissa: in terms of the situation we're talking about the only way to solve it is chip at it a little bit in a time speaking about the public ...

Branch to conduct these so-called spying operations while providing a check. the court has provided no check and part of the problem. >> look, i have made a suggestion. the fisa court ought to appoint four lawyers who get security clearance who act as the devil's advocate. when the catholic church wants to make somebody a saint they appoint the devil's advocate to argue the opposing point of view. that's what ought to argue here. four people security clearance no, no, no, no. you shouldn't issue this report. this application is flawed. today you don't have anybody on the other side. so, one go...

Invoking the 25th minute, trying to get part of the cabinet to come in. basically saying that the president can no longer serve in his capacity. what are the invocations for mccabe? >> let's start with the application as far as the president is concerned, that this is confirmation of the existence of a deep state at the fbi. and the department of justice. my reaction to all of this is not that i needed to believe andy mccabe on the point, but that the fact is the justice department is in more trouble than we ever imagined. >> melissa: let me play the devil's advocate on that and flip it over t...

Daca. >> i think he's playing the devil's advocate. >> of course he is. >> i really do, trump is playing the devil's advocate to propel us to do something. >> yes. >> and that's what i'm hoping. >> yes, that's what he's doing. >> the more he degrades us with the comment, the more anger, and maybe the democrats will agree and the hardcore republicans will do something about it. >> i agree. i don't even want to blame the democrats or the republicans. i think they're all failing us. because they have not passed any law in 20 years to clear up the situation to help the people that need it. >> we a...

Of constituent support, especially in early states, you to jump in now. i think the notion that we should sit back and wait is not well thought out. i also want to say the field is strong right now. we have some really strong contenders in the race. it seems to be a little egotist cal in my view if you think i'm going to wait for somebody to do something silly or foolish and then get in and be the white knight in shining armor. >> let me be the devil's advocate. you have eight democrats who have officially declared they're going to run in 2020. is there a risk that perhaps those early declarin...