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jon: and we continue to get new information on that brutal attack as eric holder just mentioned. fbi agents pouring through -- poring through the rubble of nairobi's westgate mall hoping to identify the attackers, some of whom might have been americans. they're also seeing what they can learn about what happened there and gather some of the evidence. trying to prevent anything like what happened in kenya from happening here. this as the same somali-based terror group that took over the mall killing dozens of people just attacked a security post near the somali border. they killed two police officers in that attack. the terror group, al-shabaab, vowing to continue violence until kenyan troops withdraw from somalia. meanwhile, more survivors of the terror attack at the mall are speaking out about their harrowing ordeal and about looking right into the face of evil. >> he was right -- he just randomly started shooting at everyone, and there was this competition taking place of
moved my appointment three times and never got it. this year will be different, doc, i problem is. >> or i will bring you one. jenna: i don't want that. thank you. >> good to see you. jenna: you will hold me to it there we go. jon: the mall attack in kenya is raising lots of new concerns that terror groups are adapting modern technology and evolving in the process. the al qaeda affiliate responsible for the massacre said to include extremists from the u.s., britain and canada, showing how terror groups have really become a global brand, thanks in large part to the internet. they are embracing modern technology to recruit and radicalize new members. talk about with con conklin. the defense editor for london's telegraph newspaper. he wrote the book, churchhill's first war, young winston and the fight against the taliban. so the internet and, you know, s actually enabled and made these
interpol issued a red notice, essentially flagging her passport, making her a wanted woman around the world, compelling all the members of interpol to, basically, arrest her if they find her. this comes as an international team of investigators including ones from the u.s. and great britain comb through the rubble there looking for clues, trying to determine what exactly happened during that four-day-long attack. we understand they're collecting blood and hair and fingerprint and dna evidence. kenyan officials also say they're expanding the search for other suspects connected to the westgate attack. they believe there is a large network of al-shabaab militants who helped plan and carry out the attack. really this is an international effort from the united states and israel and lots of different countries that are contributing to this. but right now there are more questions than answers, including the red cross says, jon, there are more than 70 people still missing. so the task at hand over the course of the next few days is really gigantic. they're trying to not only locate some of the missing
groups more dangerous in your view? >> hi, there, jon. yes, i think that's, this new phenomenon of the technologically savvy islamist terrorist is something that is really causing concern on both sides of the atlantic. in the old days when you go back to the start of bin laden, his cell was basically in afghanistan or the sudan. we knew basically where they were. we could see people going in and out of the training camps. but these days, al qaeda and its affiliates are appealing to people over the internet. they're publishing videos basically showing their deeds around the world. and encouraging young men, young muslims in america and britain and europe, throughout the world to join the cause. jon: yeah. in this case, in this attack these groups were supposedly on twitter even naming the names of those who took part. what is the purpose of that?
phone ringing under him. so i put my hand under his stomach. that's when i realized he was shot, because he was bleeding. so i pulled out the phone slowly, and i tried to switch it off. it was all full of blood, and i tried to switch off the phone so that it could stop ringing. jon: some terrible stories -- so many terrible stories like that. interpol issuing an arrest notice for samantha lewthwait sexer is the widow of a suicide bomber behind the london attacks of 2005. now she is suspected of some kind of involvement in the attack on the mall in my roby. conor powell is live in jerusalem for us. >> reporter: well, jon, there's no direct evidence linking samantha lewthwaite to the attack, but survivors did talk about a pale-faced woman, and there's a lot of suspicion that she was part of the planning or an attacker herself.
>> well this is where it gets rather interesting because, as you said, jon, during the attack in kenya people who said they were members of al-shabaab, the group that claimed responsibility for the attack, issued lists of names of those taking part on twitter. but then a few hours later, other people were saying, these names were wrong. so that begs the question, was this a deliberate ploy to mislead the security authorities trying to tackle this terrorist event, or was this a legitimate attempt to, to glorify those taking part? and of course, for the intelligence officials examining what precisely happened in kenya, this makes it all the more difficult to get to the bottom of who is behind the attack. jon: and war al-awlaki was said to be the first islamic radical who really utilized the
fact that he's convinced the grassroots that this was possible, and it absolutely was never possible. it's going to, as i said, require more votes, votes that the party doesn't have right now in congress to overturn a presidential veto, and until they do that, there's no defunding obamacare. jon: all right. a.b. stoddard from "the hill," thank you. >> thank you. jenna: an interesting look at that. well, it's being called the greatest sports comeback ever, although some red sox fans, as we know, are disagreeing with that. oracle team usa's stunning come-from-behind victory to keep america's cup here where it longs. our sports caster, jim gray, on where this feat really stands. very pretty to see. we'll talk to jim about it. also, what happened at a packed kenyan mall possibly with americans involved raising concerns that a similar attack could happen here on american soil. right before the holidays, here we are. how big is the threat here in
has since told al jazeera the mall attack was the work of al qaeda, not al shabaab. more on that in a second. president kenyatta said one of his nephews was in the mall and killed in the attack. the chief of the kenyan defense forces said the terrorists are clearly a multinational collection from all over the world. the fbi is looking into reports that americans were among the attackers. "the new york times" photographer tyler hicks happened to be nearby the mall when the siege began. he entered the mall along with police officers and captured these stunning images. >> once i got inside the mall, i could see how tense everyone was, the army and police, how carefully they were moving. they were dashing across open areas, taking extreme care with their cover. it seemed kind of like anywhere you looked there would be another body. people were still hiding in shops. and as the police and the army were moving through, they would either discover people or they would sense that help had arrived and then they would flood out. so, you get kind of moments of silence and then other moments
store, talking to people, asking questions, shooting, screams, and then it would stop for a while. then they would go to another store. >> another eyewitness, a software engineer who was in the parking lot with his two daughters said they were throwing grenades like maize to chickens. he and his daughter survived. at last count, at least 62 people have died in the attack, mostly kenyans along with foreigners from britain, france, australia, canada and india. at one point, terrorists started a fire in the mall, which according to security forces, was meant as a diversion. a reported 175 people were wounded in a siege that entered its third day today. at least three assailants have been killed by security forces with at least ten suspects arrested. the attackers also took hostages as the standoff proceeded. >> we have done search of the building and we can confirm that the hostages, almost all of them have been evacuated. >> the kenyan foreign minister
then you had the bombing at the world cup in 2010 in uganda, an american citizen was killed in that as well as a number of ugandans. and i think that, you know, if you look at the past two years, kenya has been deeply involved with somali politics, funding warlords. i traveled with a kenyan-backed warlord who had brand new military equipment given to him in the summer of 2011, and then kenya staged an invasion of parts of southern somalia. and i think al shabaab has seized on this idea that kenya is a puppet or a proxy for the u.s., and that's really the message that they've propagandized. >> what does it say about the state of al qaeda or global jihadis in 2013 that this attack happened, that it's coming from possibly somalia? it seems to me like it's the situation which we smash one or disrupt one network and they seem to pop up somewhere else. >> right. something interesting is that when i was last in somalia in the summer of 2011, the head of al qaeda in east africa was killed in mogadishu, fazul mohammed. and among the documents seized,