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With somali politics, funding warlords. i traveled with a kenyan-backed warlord who had brand-new military equipment given to him in the summer of 2011, and then kenya actually staged an invasion of parts of southern somalia. and i think shabaab has seized on this idea that kenya is a puppet or a proxy for the u.s., and that s really the message that they ve propagandized. what does it say about the state of al qaeda or global jihadis in 2013 that this attack happened, that it s coming from possibly somalia? it seems to me like it s the situation which we smash one or disrupt one network and they seem to pop up somewhere else. right. you know, something interesting is that when i was last in somalia in the summer of 2011, the head of al qaeda in east africa was killed in mogadishu, fazul mohammed. and among the documents seized, and i reported on this in my book, were letters from fazul to ayman al zawahiri, the number two in al qaeda. and what fazul said is shabaab is making a mis ....
Then you had the bombing at the world cup in 2010 in uganda, an american citizen was killed in that as well as a number of ugandans. and i think that, you know, if you look at the past two years, kenya has been deeply involved with somali politics, funding warlords. i traveled with a kenyan-backed warlord who had brand new military equipment given to him in the summer of 2011, and then kenya staged an invasion of parts of southern somalia. and i think al shabaab has seized on this idea that kenya is a puppet or a proxy for the u.s., and that s really the message that they ve propagandized. what does it say about the state of al qaeda or global jihadis in 2013 that this attack happened, that it s coming from possibly somalia? it seems to me like it s the situation which we smash one or disrupt one network and they seem to pop up somewhere else. right. something interesting is that when i was last in somalia in the summer of 2011, the head of al qaeda in east africa was killed in mog ....
Steele. good to be with you. always a pleasure. at least, some huge, good news out of kenya, where there s been a major development in the hostage situation in the mall in nairobi that has been site to one of the most horrific attacks on civilians we ve seen. we ll bring you the latest and talk to a journalist who has been shot at by the alleged masterminds of the attack, next. [ male announcer ] what s important to you? at humana, our medicare agents sit down with you and ask. hanging out with this guy. he s just the love of my life. [ male announcer ] getting to know you is how we help you choose the humana medicare plan that works best for you. mi familia. [ male announcer ] we want to help you achieve your best health, so you can keep doing the things that are important to you. keeping up with them. i love it! [ male announcer ] helping you now that s what s important to us. ....
At this hour, kenyan security forces claim to be in control of the west gate premier shopping mall in nairobi, kenya, the site of one of the most horrifying terror attacks in recent memory. kenyan interior ministry saying our forces are combing the mall floor by floor looking for anyone left behind. we believe all hostages have been released. this hour, the kenyan government hasn t yet made a full accounting. midday saturday, nairobi, kenya, a mall that could easily be mistaken for any major mall in the u.s. or anywhere in the world, fell under attack by 10 to 15 gunmen, reportedly from the islamist al shabaab militia. one eyewitness was an american who had recently moved to nairobi from north carolina. you could hear while we were back there them methodically kind of going from store to ....
Has since told al jazeera the mall attack was the work of al qaeda, not al shabaab. more on that in a second. president kenyatta said one of his nephews was in the mall and killed in the attack. the chief of the kenyan defense forces said the terrorists are clearly a multinational collection from all over the world. the fbi is looking into reports that americans were among the attackers. the new york times photographer tyler hicks happened to be nearby the mall when the siege began. he entered the mall along with police officers and captured these stunning images. once i got inside the mall, i could see how tense everyone was, the army and police, how carefully they were moving. they were dashing across open areas, taking extreme care with their cover. it seemed kind of like anywhere you looked there would be another body. people were still hiding in shops. and as the police and the army were moving through, they would either discover people or they would sense that help had arrive ....