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Effect and one is after it goes into effect. we haven't hit this second stage with the texas law. presumably that would happen if someone were to bring a lawsuit against people around a woman, people who aided and abetted a woman in getting an abortion, and then if that lawsuit was brought by some amorphous third party, we would have people to challenge the statute as it is working in practice. but this statute, the evil jean genius is that it is designed not to get to that point. it provided a perfect vehicle for the supreme court to allow it to go into effect. normally you would expect it to...

The committee announced friday on the hearing on the law and shadow docket of the supreme court, decisions made on an emergency basis. do you know when that hearing will happen, who you want to hear from, what are you hoping to get out of that. >> a lot of people don't know what the shadow docket is. i think we'll be hearing from scholars as to the abuse of the shadow docket by this supreme court because they've used the shadow docket to do the thing they just did, basically to overturn roe v. wade 28 times in years and four times in bush and obama, so there is in my view the abuse of power of...

Saying that the two male co-founders brought it forward and said that we want to do it even though it is controversial topic and they could lose some customers, it is the right thing to do, and more of corporate america should take a stand. geoff. >> so, barbara, let's talk about the substance of this, and also the process, because here you have, and you could make the argument that this is one of the supreme court's most important ruling, roe v. wade and brown v. board of education, and initially this whole thing was done on the shadow docket, and why would the supreme court allow something a...

Justices kagan and breyer joined the chief justice did not join her decision nor did she join his dissent. she was making it very clear that not only has the court allowed a law that flagrantly violates existing constitutional precedence it did so under the cover of the shadow docket. we didn't really talk about this as a particular threat to abortion rights in the lead up in part because this case came up on the shadow docket. it wasn't on the merits docket. there wasn't a lot of anticipation. there wasn't full briefing or oral argument or a chance to ventilate all of the different arguments ...

And only four times during the entire bush and obama terms, this is an abuse. so you use the shadow docket where you don't have to even say who is voting, who is, you know, doing the position that uses the shadow docket and there's no hearing. there's nothing. so there's no accountability they hope, but in this case we have four justices who filed dissents on what the five other justices did. >> 48, i can't help but notice, is not 50. >> that's right. >> that seems to me -- well, that is sort of the issue, right? you have the filibuster but before you get to the filibuster, you can't beat 52 v...