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Because in the like soviet films, they see spies they have five passports, so it's ridiculous. okay so they asked me why do i have two passports, and the ukrainians are allowed to have two foreign passports because sometimes to visit foreign countries you need visas, so when your one passport is at the embassy, you travel with another one to another country for a business trip. so two passports made them suspicious first. second, they found that in one of my passports i have american visa. i have canadian visa, and then the second passport i have all over europe travel with the ukrainian passp...

There with his wife and daughter. he just was a u.s. citizen and it was a target on him. >> i know you're trying to stay positive. i imagine the worst case scenarios you can't help are going through your mind at this point. >> oh, yeah. this was and has been the beginning of my worst nightmare. i was afraid he was going to get captured and i don't want to even think about the next two fears of never seeing him or having him killed by them guys. >> has anybody heard from tyler, tina? has anybody, you know, friends over there, anybody in ukraine heard from him since saturday morning? >> nobody h...

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>> neil: i thought immediately what's going on here. you look in terms of business and management skills each of these presidents supported different times the crisis management, i guess, teddy roosevelt taking on the colbert rans and turn around management you go to fdr he state-of-the-arted this whole 100 days thing, right? visionary management. there you can go back to lbj and civil rights. they all have this much in comon common adversity they have dealt with how important is that? >> i think it's critical. it seems like leadership literature will argue people gone through adversity, not j...

>> thank you, guys. nell. >> neil: have you been watching susan collins of maine the republican so-called swing vote among the republicans. she has not always voted along with lisa murkowski on dismantling the healthcare law and president barack obama. i want each of them to testify under oath if it is possible, paraphrasing here, that judge kavanaugh has not been truthful that would be a disqualifying event. to fox news senior capital producer chad pe pergram. he was in that scrum there your sense? >> that's the key thing. that's why they want to take time to hear from both witnesses to hear ...