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racial discrimination. the president said he's directing his department of education to light the way, so on the subject of what happens next, let us ask the head of that department. united states education secretary miguel cardona, who joins us now. mr. secretary, thank you very much for being here. i know how you feel about this decision, that you said it takes our country backward, the president, though, in trying to look forward as we head into a new era says he wants you, as the department of education to light the way, find new areas. how is that going to look? how is it going ...

>> for the black poor, it's not a setback. i stand by what i said in the piece, it's the world as it has been. for the black middle, the black upper class, it could be a setback. what i would hope that it's not that. i would hope this is an opportunity to reassess the legacy of affirmative action, reassess what it did up close and move forward with something that can benefit racial diversity, and also understands class does exist within race, there's a black upper class, middle and lower. >> do you think that there are policies out there that currently work? there'swork? there's the university...