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For dropping sanctions in return for help on the election. >> okay. that is a theory of the case. this is the thing. that quid pro quo he is sort of a speculative question, although i think plausible theory. here is the thing, matt. if you take a step back, russia criminally intervened to help donald trump win the election. criminal sabotage. the newly elected president, the sitting president, barack obama then punished them with sanction and the trump team coordinated secretly with russia to mitigate the effect of that punishment and then lied about it. those are the facts we already know. >>...

Democratic congress when they are in power. because that is the only time republicans will actually do anything about the deficit. and if they bring down the deficit, it's like putting money into a savings account that republicans can later use to cut taxes some more. >> right. >> so the republicans love deficits. >> are people's memories long enough that this is going to be front of mine for folks that are running for office, making calls, volunteering and voting? >> especially if this is the only legislative achievement that they have. this is going to be the thing that they have to run on. ...

Are gone. >> that's the risk you run. that's a great point. >> were these odd populist xenophoic republicans who decided that these people were going to put money and rights back in their hands when they had been taken by unnamed folks a while ago. >> and voted for guy who said i will not cut social security, medicare or medicaid. >> they don't care about the deficits. the mitt romney of the world are going to get the vapors over the fact that thing raises the deficit and they may see this as a means to cut entitlements down the line be. the people who are going to restand for election in 2018...

Have no choice. and this has been obvious for a long time. this is just part one of a two-step process. and i think they're kind of foolish to be giving away the game before this thing is locked up. but i'm glad to hear them saying these things. but i knew it was coming. >> that's a great point that bruce is making. the deficits are the point. because what the deficits do is if you cut taxes like george w. bush did twice in his first term, like they're doing now, you then create a pressure you can use against a possible democratic successor if they want to do anything on the spending side. >> ...