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Handcuffs at the courthouse. because this is the president, no one can believe a president would actually behave this way because we've never -- since nixon, anyway, seen a president behave this way. when you take that out of the equation and just look at the fact pattern, this is a pretty clear and simple obstruction of justice case. the only thing he has going for him now is there is this open question about whether he can be indicted or not or whether it has to be left to congress where of course there is still a republican majority. >> but again, i think the more important case here is the...

Roger stone. then all of the wikileaks. >> contact action we now have. >> there is a major conspiracy. one, to either violate the federal computer hacking law, the computer fraud and abuse act, or there was a quid pro quo for dropping sanctions in return for help on the election. >> okay. that is a theory of the case. this is the thing. that quid pro quo he is sort of a speculative question, although i think plausible theory. here is the thing, matt. if you take a step back, russia criminally intervened to help donald trump win the election. criminal sabotage. the newly elected president, the ...

>> i don't think they've really been very secretive about this. i've been writing about it for weeks. all republicans believe in something called starve the beast. they want to slash what are called entitlement programs which i are mostly social security and medicare, and they don't think they can get the political support to do it unless they have a deficit. >> right. >> that is so large that they have no choice. and this has been obvious for a long time. this is just part one of a two-step process. and i think they're kind of foolish to be giving away the game before this thing is locked up....

It. i think it becomes bigger. >> the chamber of commerce had a fit that the alternative minimum tax for corporations is still in the bill. but things happen at two income the morning thanks for joining me. still ahead, how the trump administration is laying the groundwork to discredit or even remove special counsel robert mueller. new details from inside the investigation ahead. plus reince watch in tonight's thing 1, thing 2, next. some air fresheners are so overwhelming, they can...

Donald trump himself. nbc analysis found the house version hands a billion dollar payday, a billion dollars to the trump heirs, to the president's family. that's billion with a b, plus about $20 million to the president himself. the house and the senate need to figure out the difference before sending the final version to the president's desk, leaving a potentially narrow window for the opponents to still to try to stop it. bruce bartlett, former deputy assistant secretary for policy under george w. bush, and author of the truth of the matter. jess macintosh, senior adviser to the hillary clin...