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qualified. so that is how the case came to the supreme court. that was what the supreme court sought to remedy. >> is there any way i can make a point here? >> martha: go ahead. absolutely. >> i want to make this point. jessica said everybody is making this a black versus asian thing, et cetera. pretty much every mainstream democrat right now that has spoken up about this affirmative action ruling being struck down by the supreme court has made it about race, has made it about african americans. you don't have barack obama and michelle obama releasing statements on twitter about this and not trying to pretend that that is not injecting african americans into this. okay? >> i wouldn't at all -- >> i don't think you can get away with that. >> i'm saying i think it's more than what -- has gone on and will continue to go on now with the black population and say a firm ty action is a program that has uplifted people from a whole host of categories, including justice thomas himself, someone that got in to college and law school based on race-based emissions consideration.

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