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Before, i wouldn't feel very good going into court with that person as your defense at the moment. i don't feel convinced by the arguments christina bobb made on television. this is the type of thing that would get people thrown in jail if they were anyone but the president of the united states. this makes hillary clinton's emails look like a child's petting zoo. i mean, this is massively significant, that they were storing information, allegedly of this high classification, down in a basement. the other thing i would add, john, is earlier, you know, you were wondering why trump would ask for ...

The soviet union and sees the breakup of the soviet union as this crime against mother russia and so on. he's almost trying to avenge that. i wonder, secretary, by agreeing to the call, does that suggest that putin hasn't yet decided on invading ukraine or because he is somebody who plays three dimensional chess, he's maybe just moving some pieces into place and he's buying time? >> i don't know. i can only suspect what he is doing. i don't know what he plans ultimately. it may be that he's looking at all of the economic sanctions that will be imposed, but i think we have to keep in mind that ...

On, so it may not be now, but it might come later. >> are you surprised that over a week into this invasion, russia still does not have full control over airspace over ukraine? >> well, it's been talked about at length. the russians may have overestimated their ability and underestimated the ability of the ukrainians to resist, but it certainly doesn't look like a three dimensional chess as we refer to putin playing three dimensional chess. he's not doing very well at the chess game. but again, he has, he's proudly going to inflict far more damage than he has. he's going to create a wasteland ...

Christian cinema who are clear they got a problem with the price tag for one and you wonder then why does speaker pelosi want to put what are now vulnerable members in the position of having to vote yes or no, which is a sticky position but is there some kind of, i don't know, three dimensional chess of let this play out and then everyone can kind of have a little bit of what they want and it will end up in the same place? i'm trying to understand it here myself because when you have margin why put people in more vulnerable positions? >> if i were betting, kate, i would bet that they will work...

Interview is canceled, that's the end of the quo. right, because there was a quid pro quo. it was the aid for the interview. once the aid was released, there was no need to do the -- >> do you think that he thought that he was playing three-dimensional chess, right, we'll get them to do this and then we'll go on cnn which he talks about all the time. and he can say even on cnn, right, which he despises, he told them that biden was corrupt and he should be investigated. i mean, come on, folks, it's cnn. you get what i'm saying? >> i get what you're saying. i would love to believe that was what ...