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Operation, and gun crime continues, of course. but mass shootings has not happened in the 15 years since they introduced the kind of policy policies that he difficulty he would be better off not reaching for a shot gun, or at least the shot gun metaphor, or policies that actually work in that culture that are actually different. >> tim, you write in your piece, about the hunting, which is down, the participation in hunting, which is done. liberals have only made their arguments for increased gun control, less likely to have an impact. that is your worry, using the old style of argument is less...

You know, god love you, joe biden, as he would say, if he is not sponsored by the gun manufacturers, the shot gun manufacturer's association of america, he should be. interestingly, the politics is what he is getting at. yes, and jay carney knows that, and knows him, as well. he is engaged in the extreme ridiculous moments that the nra is engaged in. they're saying you're going to take away all the guns, and joe biden is saying go out and buy guns. they're actually making a joke, why can't he do it the other way? >> tim noa, as soon as i heard the vice president say this, i knew that you predi...

>> yeah, in just think he would be better off talking for instance about the australian example, where you could say, you know, gun-loving culture, the sort of frontier mentality, where this kind of attitude, the politics would deeply engrain. they took out assault weapons, they managed a big buy-back operation, and gun crime continues, of course. but mass shootings has not happened in the 15 years since they introduced the kind of policies that he difficulty he would be better off not reaching for a shot gun, or at least the shot gun metaphor, or policies that actually work in that culture th...

Why can't he do it the other way? >> tim noa, as soon as i heard the vice president say this, i knew that you predicted in this piece, where you say it remains common when making a liberal argument to shroud it in non-liberal language. that is exactly what joe biden was trying to do. >> he was trying to establish, shore up. i can call for gun control because by golly, i have my gun, i love my gun, i tell my wife to shoot the gun. i would hate to be a ups delivery person going to their home. they have to establish being authentic. the irony is, that most people don't own guns in this country. t...