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Ultimately -- >> does he have any leverage? >> minimal. >> they've got the client everybody wants. >> right. i think giuliani knows the things he's demanding are outrageous. you'll agree to certain concessions maybe more for the president of the united states. he's way out of line for what he's demanding, time limits. >> in obstruction. >> i wonder why. if they don't agree, mueller i believe will crop a subpoena. you end up in the courts and trump is going to argue executive privilege. it didn't work for nixon in the '70s. it's not going to work for donald trump. it's nor national security and...

And that is i'll believe it when i see it? >> yeah, i think so. it's kind of amusing to see giuliani demanding these terms for the interview because the fact is, he doesn't have the upper hand here. he knows that. he was a prosecutor. ultimately -- >> does he have any leverage? >> minimal. >> they've got the client everybody wants. >> right. i think giuliani knows the things he's demanding are outrageous. you'll agree to certain concessions maybe more for the president of the united states. he's way out of line for what he's demanding, time limits. >> in obstruction. >> i wonder why. if they d...

They can. >> i heard maggie haberman on cnn tonight said her guess was that by tomorrow, we would learn about the contents of rudy giuliani's letter to the mueller team about a potential interview. are you where i am on this? and that is i'll believe it when i see it? >> yeah, i think so. it's kind of amusing to see giuliani demanding these terms for the interview because the fact is, he doesn't have the upper hand here. he knows that. he was a prosecutor. ultimately -- >> does he have any leverage? >> minimal. >> they've got the client everybody wants. >> right. i think giuliani knows the thi...

Sort. i tend to belie that president trump wants to be interviewed by the special counsel. but his lawyers appropriately wanted to have safeguards, time limits, almost limits on subjec matter. they staked out this view of presidential power, as aggressive if not more than what nixon said to david frost. >> if it's posturing, doesn't that send a horrible message to the american public? >> my read of this is that they are negotiating. i think even the president's lawyers recognize that he cannot and should not ever be in a position to pardon himself. >> you once worked as an s

Rudy giuliani said today he was proposing two or three hours. it's not unreasonable for the president of the united states to have a time limit on an interrogation. usually in the grand jury, they can just talk to you as long as they want. but given the unusual, unique status of the president in our constitutional system, even if it's a grand jury system, and even if he's forced to testify, it is quite possible a judge would say, you can only have him for four hours. so two or three hours, as giuliani proposed, is certainly too short. but with clinton, it was only four, and i think it went a l...