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Win, you lose. >> you can revise history to the fact is our founders were not afraid to acknowledge god and did that in our founding documents. the declaration of independence says we are endowed by the creator with unalienable rights. >> the founding fathers were diverse. >> they weren't afraid to acknowledge god and they did. >> they acknowledged him. some throughout our history has been a nation that blessed god. john: lincoln and jefferson were not religious. >> neither was thomas payne patrick henry was. they got together christians and the rest of them got together and put together a sec...

The first amendment was not to enact some kind of absolute separation of church and state, but rather it was to establish a chaplaincy in the u.s. congress and start every session with prayer acknowledging god. john: it's not in the constitution. where did the separation idea come from. >> the phrase doesn't have to be in the constitution, it is civil law. when we're talking about the separation of church and state -- john: what do you mean civil law? >> it's civil law. the united states supreme court interprets the constitution. they came out with the separation of church and state and it is ...

Religion. >> black and white, smoking gun i win you lose. >> you can revise history all want to. the fact of the matter is our founders were not afraid to acknowledge god and they did that in our founding documents. the declaration of independence says we are endowed by our creator with inalienable rights. they weren't afraid to acknowledge god, and they did. >> throughout our history, our nas has always been a nation that blessed god. >> lincoln and jefferson were not religious. >> and neither was thomas payne. patrick henry was. they got together and put together a secular constitution that ...