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>> human beings do. decent human beings do. these people are beneath that. >> there is a political discourse in this country on both sides of the aisle where the vitreal is just over the top. it's not just donald trump. >> that's a false equivalency, jim. that's not right. >> you sit here today and say that all the democrats are -- none of them conduct themselves in any inappropriate fashion as it comes to -- >> i did not say that. i said this president -- he is beneath any standards of our lifetime. you can never imagine ronald reagan saying this, you could never imagine barack obama or bill ...

Far outweighed its longevity. >> i thought you take toobin comment, you know, what the vice president said was okay and run with it. toobin threw you a bone there and you left it sitting. >> you know, i generally agree with what he -- that the vice president has a right to say what he wants to say. >> right. >> but i just think it feels a lot longer than a year. it feels like ten years for the people. >> that's because we're all getting older. jeff, the other interesting thing of this is the poll numbers, which i really do think are fascinating. >> totally. >> the headline is, it's working. wh...

Avoid service. john mccain took steps to serve. this is, i just disagree, this is emblematic of your times, this is emblematic of the era of trump. the challenge is not to sinks to his level. i really admire the mccain family, for example, conducting tells with such grace. >> new bit of reporting in -- a source close to the situation says kelly sadler called meghan mccann to apologize for the crass remark. it's unclear what meghan mccain's response was, but we're told that sadler apologized to her. that's a start, jim. sadler apologizing to the family is a step. the next step would be apologiz...

Except for one vote. you remember that beautiful night. it was -- it was defeated, but one vote changed. >> joining me now to discuss, paul begala and jim schultz. paul, politics is politics, but it doesn't matter, he's dying anyway. when john mccain, as everyone knows, is in arizona right now at home battling brain cancer. where is the line between, you know, politics and human decency? >> well, there is no decency in a comment like that, obviously. it's one thing to argue over whether gina haspel should run the cia. recently people can differ. reasonable people, good people don't say things ...

Dying anyway. of course a comment like that quickly spread across washington, given the respect that senator mccain has. so then it essentially blew up from there. the white house apologized and said we respect his service, but, john, just a few moments ago we heard from cindy mccain, senator mccain's wife, of course, who sent out this message on twitter. let's take a look. she's addressing it directly at the white house staffer there. she said, may i remind you, my husband has a family, seven children and five grandchildren. simple words there. sparse words. but a tough message, indeed. talki...