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Torture and he's got a nominee for cia who has a stallar career inside the agency, support from all of the former director's of central intelligence and other people but serious questions were raised at that hearing and i believe tim kaine came out today, other senators are joining in, she may have the votes but there's this larger moral question. >> look, the torture issue is a big issue. she had an exemplary career. senator mccain commended her for her patriotism and service. but if you look at this through the prism of the extreme interrogation tactics, mccain has been clear for a long time...

Any grace. she said she would not do that again, and i'm grateful for that. >> and the key is who she would be working for. it's sort of attempting to i -- i think senator feinstein was bringing it in the moment, would the president, he's been on all sides of the torture issue. during the campaign, he said he supported it. after he was elected, he said it may not work. but he's the wild card here. that's why these questions matter. she did say, i thought more directly, that she would not do it. would she resign if confirmed? who knows? but overall this morning, i would say the white house at l...

Particularly close with either one of them. he had a hard-fought presidential race against barack obama. but i think he's making a larger point here, which is that he wants bipartisanship, he wants the country to start working again, he wants two men who were civil in their politics to represent him and to speak about the kind of civility that he thinks is missing from american politics. so what better than to invite the man who vanquished you in the presidential race and to invite george w. bush with whom he disagreed on a lot of issues, including the torture issue, and i think that have both...

Program techniques that were set up after the 9/11 attacks? >> well, julie, this is politics at its absolute worst with democrats in congress going after a career c.i.a. veteran, the first case officer in five decades to be nominated to lead the agency. someone who has been on the front lines of the war on terror her entire career, held senior positions which will mean minimal transition of this critical agency right now and importantly going back obama -- president obama's then attorney general holder appointed oh special prosecutor to look into the torture issue. she was completely cleared. ...

Engaging in torture. in this case we have a civilian, gina haspel, who ran a torture facility for a period of time in thailand. it was a black site detention center. and she had a role in destroying videotapes of that torture. that should be disqualifying for any cabinet nominee. >> one might argue, as you heard the discussion with carol, that she may have been involved in these roles but overall contextually this is something that she is not the person to confirm and to order to happen. this is her being part of a larger infrastructure, one might make the argument in defense of what she did. ...