Terror, we continue to adopt those universal principles. >> there are two buckets here. one is guantanamo, which is representative of the way whether we do it guantanamo or the way we held prisoners in the middle east, which doesn't seem to live up to any meaningful standard of how you imprison people. and there's the second issue, which is enhanced interrogation techniques or what we now know to be torture and its effectiveness. both of these have undermined these universal principles that you say that we subscribe to. >> that's correct. in the case of the torture program, this is something t...