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Interrogation techniques slowed down the hunt for bin laden. says that the detainees subjected to torture quote, gave us a bare minimum amount of information they could get away with to get the pain to stop or to mislead us. i never saw enhanced interrogation techniques work in iraq. i never even saw harsh techniques work in iraq. in every case, i saw them slow us down. and they were always counterproductive to trying to get people to cooperate. those views were echoed last week on this program by mark fallen who was an interrogator at guantanamo bay. so how do you pick a winner in the debate ...

It trivials serious issues and it denies republicans the ability to communicate a pratt form and alternative vision particularly on economic issues. >> steve schmidt, i only want you to say things that wise only on msnbc so the helps don't hear it. thank you for joining me tonight. >> you bet. coming up, the renewed debate over torture continues. did enhanced interrogation techniques hurt or help the hunt for osama bin laden. that's in the rewrite.

Press" yesterday. >> this is the largest cache of intelligence from any single terrorist. it's about the size of a small college library. >> a small college library. sounds like they'll be working on this material for quite some time to come. is this the single most valuable grab that we've made in the hunt for intelligence on terrorism? >> well i think, you know, there have been very important ones that have been very small and focused over the last decade, but i think in terms of being able to see, get a window into the senior leadership and from the top down of the al qaeda organization, th...

Techniques. >> that same interrogator said, i think that without a doubt torture and enhanced interrogation techniques slowed down the hunt for bin laden. says that the detainees subjected to torture quote, gave us a bare minimum amount of information they could get away with to get the pain to stop or to mislead us. i never saw enhanced interrogation techniques work in iraq. i never even saw harsh techniques work in iraq. in every case, i saw them slow us down. and they were always counterproductive to trying to get people to cooperate. those views were echoed last

Uncorrupted, reliable memory. and research again is very clear on the fragility of human memory under the best circumstances. imagine introduces waterboard or the anxiety that comes from continued threats of sleep deprivation. even if somebody wished to provide information, their ability to do so is severely undermined. >> and in this evaluation of the information that they would be getting from waterboarding, if they're saying, if the bush administration is saying, look, we just found out in effect last sunday what the verdict is on torture because we found out that it led to eventually osama...