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Taxing as they see fit. does that legitimacy argument matter? >> i don't think that matters. i'm sure the five families of new york would say something equivalent. they are -- it is effectively taxation, that doesn't make it legitimate. they are still an illegitimate terror force and we need to be pushing them out of these areas. >> as tour'e was mentioning even though isis has taken over ramadi, everything is going to be fine. here's what john kerry said yes yesterday. >> their communications have been reduced and funding and mechanical operations have been reduced and their movements by and ...

Two other counts, malicious destruction of property resulting in death and use of a firearm resulting in death. those are six different capital counts, tour'e, let me go to you first. you think about the boston marathon bombing and look at the law here, i will say as a side note people think what they believe to be justice in this case. but second, this was a prosecution here that threw it is fair to say, everything at this individual defendant. that is why there are so many charges and that is why there's so much convictions and that's why we can now report this jury found six different capit...

Also a spike in security right now. we're seeing officers with sniffing dogs patrolling dogs right now, hearing many, many more aerial patrols and helicopters in the air. a tense moment here in boston. i think an understanding, tour'e, that for many who wanted to see this chapter closed and new chapter open, this is anything but the end. we mentioned before how long it takes to execute individuals in the system. mcveigh, executed in 2003, since then 40 other death penalties imposed but not acted on. it remains to be seen when and if he'll actually be executed. it is very difficult to kill peop...

Ring between evander holy field and mitt romney. all for charity and all for a few good laughs as well. the weigh in happened last night. the 68-year-old politician has a 60-pound deficit when lined up against holyfield, all for a good cause, tour'e is here joining us to talk about this. this is an event that is raising millions for a non-profit called charity vision. this is a charity that helps patients in the poorest countries regain their sight. i thought why not a few years ago, mitt romney, this so humanizes you, no? >> why not have a professional boxing match a few years ago when he was...

Could the people of boston of massachusetts send someone to death? massachusetts does not have the death penalty but that's a state issue. this is a federal issue. when we look through this list about the jurors almost all of them say they are open to the death penalty only one woman said she was against the death penalty. but still open to it. clearly the people who are selected and people of boston were selected for this trial were more than open. they were willing and today we found out they were able to give the death penalty to dzhokhar tsarnaev. what is the scene out there right now, ron...