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as well as sheriff's deputies. >> john: lord knows what vicky white was thinking, we'll never know. >> jacqui: emily, such a fascinating case. casey white waived his extradition, deputies are getting him back to lauderdale county later tonight, he's not going to be present at the status conference even virtually. what is his legal strategy right now? >> that remains to be seen, jacqui, but keep in mind, he had nothing to lose when he escaped. he was already facing two capital counts of murder in the 2015 death of a 58-year-old woman, led in part what led his lawyers, his former lawyer say he feared that he would engage police in a shootout, that he would essentially attempt suicide by police, and that's why in this exit interview or the interview he just conducted with the sheriff, he said yes, he was planning on engaging in a
restaurant. the bomb that killed martin richard, killed lingzi lu they also found that he was involved in the death of krystle campbell and officer sean collier, but for the most part it appears at first glance that yeah that's exactly what they did. they were able to isolate those capital counts that they thought he should be put to death for, jake. >> and martin richard's family martin richard, the 8-year-old the innocent young boy so brutally murdered by the tsarnaevs that day, his family made it clear, i believe, deb, they did not support the death penalty, that was not something they were seeking. what was their reaction in the courtroom today? >> reporter: so interesting you mention that jake because they did. they wrote and op-ed basically saying no. send him to life in prison. we don't want to hear his name ever again. you put him to death, the process is dragged out, updates on the status filings, what they decide to do but they were
every or even half of the capital counts -- >> like police officer and not knowing which one actually pulled the trigger. that tells you they were very methodical. >> if you believe that jurors operate as instructed and take each count individually under their obligations and that's what they did. there are many who believe that it's a more wholistic process. if there was one count would they have made the same distinction, we're not sure about the trigger maybe not? we can't speculate but we do know this jury did unanimously find on multiple counts related to the boston mareathon attacks themselves, that this man, dzhokhar tsarnaev, in their view not only was responsible, which he already found in phase one but today, phase two was responsible in such a heinous way as to merit the ultimate punishment, the death penalty. >> karen, there's been a lot of
survivors. many families of victim members who perished are in that courtroom. we want to give an update. they're moving right along here. very quickly, they're getting -- they're in the mitigating factors now. though section is very very close to the end. but as far as the statutory aggravating factors, there were a lot of unanimous finds on some of the death occurred during the commission or flight from a crime with explosives yes. now, there are 17 counts that are capital counts here. he was convicted in april of 30 counts 17 of those are capital counts. so far, we can see a state of mind of the jury that they are unanimous on a lot of the statutory aggravating factors for all of the counts and for some of the counts. nonstatutory aggravating factors such as causing injury and harm
two other counts, malicious destruction of property resulting in death and use of a firearm resulting in death. those are six different capital counts, tour'e, let me go to you first. you think about the boston marathon bombing and look at the law here, i will say as a side note people think what they believe to be justice in this case. but second, this was a prosecution here that threw it is fair to say, everything at this individual defendant. that is why there are so many charges and that is why there's so much convictions and that's why we can now report this jury found six different capital crimes, six different reasons to sentence this individual to death. >> ronan farrow still outside the court. we want to bring you back into the conversation. this is happening in boston i grew up in boston and know boston extremely well. one of the things we talked about when we were talking about this day leading up to this day,
lawyer because the jury what they did is they broke down the capital counts. so instead of finding that the government had proven beyond a reasonable doubt all the capital counts and the factors they had to consider they really sort of sectioned them off so there were some counts for which he was sentenced to death, but not all. so they really gave it a lot of thought. but death, when the courtroom heard "death," there was nothing audible. in was a heavy silence. that's the best way i can describe it. you had the u.s. attorney who was in there. you had the head of boston's fbi. the chief of watertown, in that court virtually every day, and everyone sat in almost this stunned silence, when the death sentence was read jake. >> and, deb, you note there were a number of counts almost 20 and the jury only voted to convict, or i'm sorry, to sentence dzhokhar tsarnaev to death over some of them. if i'm looking at the numbers
we appreciate it. a lot of people thought tsarnaev would not get the death penalty in the state of massachusetts. so many people are against it. but this of course was on the federal level, even thoi the case was heard in that state. jean they didn't agree on every charge. all they needed to do was agree on one that carried death. how hard was it for them to come to an agreement? >> reporter: it appears as though it was very difficult. we're seeing this state of mind. this was a 24-page verdict form. there were many questions, specific interrogatories and they just went one by one. let's look at the facts here. there were 17 counts that were capital counts. they would find on any of those the death penalty is warranted. they found six. they found one-third of the 17. they are the ones that dzhokhar tsarnaev personally were
imprisonment. >> professor appreciate you sharing not only your legal expertise with us today, but also your personal story. appreciate you joining us. thank you. and now we're going to turn to another harvard law professor, carol steiker who is out there. what do you see as the most important takeaway or result from what we learned today, this jury finding on six different capital counts that they want to apply the death penalty to dzhokhar tsarnaev. >> i think many people are looking to this case to try to draw some kind of lessons for where the death penalty is going in america. but i honestly think that there's not much that you can say about this particular verdict, because it's really out of step with where the death penalty has been heading in recent years. we've had massive declines in executions and even more massive declines in death sentencing rates around the country and legislatures around the country have been repealing the death penalty. six of them in the last eight
death verdict with 12 hours. still in line with what jurors have to wrestle with in these kinds of complex cases with so much at stake. >> ronan, as we are awaiting this penalty verdict as folks will remember, dzhokhar tsarnaev convicted of all 30 counts, 17 of them capital counts, which means any one could bring an actual penalty of capital punishment today. while you're there i want to mention we are getting reports that tsarnaev is inside the courtroom along with other people we mentioned. so this could begin at me moment when the judge enters and jury speaks. i want to speak with you a little bit as we prepare for that about the mitigating factors. we've spoken a lot about all of the reasons why this jury could legally go to capitol punishment and fact this was a federal terrorism offense and assertion by prosecutors that there was little to no remorse shown whatsoever in any phase.
northrop grumman. is dzhokhar tsarnaev an indiscriminate killer or a misguided teen? that question is now in the hands of the jury. closing arguments wrapped up this afternoon as the judge told the jury we are ready for you to commence deliberations. the 12-member jury will decide whether the convicted boston bomber lives or dies. for the prosecution, the answer is clear and it comes from tsarnaev himself, written in his hand on a boat stained with his blood. now i don't like killing innocent people but in this case, it is allowed because america needs to be punished. but the defense contends that the younger tsarnaev was under the spell of his older brother tamerlan the driving force behind the attack. the jury has already found dzhokhar tsarnaev guilty of 17 capital counts. if they decide on the death penalty for any one of those counts he will face possible execution.