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But when you compare it to normal, everyday occupations, the risks are far greatest. we've those a thousand journalists in the last 20 years worldwide. it's for more dangerous to be a journalist in the field to report on wars and famine and natural disasters. can we look back and say we should have done that, could that have been fixed 30, 40 years ago? you bet. but i think the distinction is, with accredited, modern zoos, you have that commitment, it's a voluntary commitment on the part of our institutions to say, look, we're not complacent. independents it's voluntary for you guys, but not v...

Now. and seaworld, if you're listening, that would be great. but i think if you look at killer whales and the experience they have in captivity, you have to conclude it's not a suitable environment for them. the single greatest thing that tells you that is mortality in captivity is 2 1/2 to 3 times what it is in the wild. it's stressful. they're on ant acids, antidepressant, antibiotics a lot. there's a lot of things in captivity that a large, intelligence free-ranging animals finds very stressful. the fact that it kills them at the rate that it does, and kills them younger than in the wild, w...

Intelligence free-ranging animals finds very stressful. the fact that it kills them at the rate that it does, and kills them younger than in the wild, we have to ask. >> we have to be careful about that. again that goes under the category of the -- the jury is still out. there's a lot of data that needs to be collected. when you have a large data set like in the -- a lot of data points over the span of 35 years or more, but then a very population, a small subset of data that you're trying to compare those to. there's so much variability in any living systems, any living creature. so there are ...

Conservationist. listen, tonight cnn is airing a film, it's a tough one. it's about a woman, a trainer. she was actually killed by one of the orcas at seaworld. as a dad i've taken my kid to these big aquariums. i always had a great time. i thought it was wonderful. you're seeing these big animals up close, so i was really shocked when i learned how risky these jobs are for the trainers, and how terrible the conditions are for these magnificent creatures after they get captured. look at this clip from the film "blackfish." >> we started having difficulty getting them into a small steel box. to...

For a show for "crossfire" and shoved you back in the green room, you wouldn't be a happy mammal. why is this good for for the mall malls? >> well, i think first of all, looking back you have to look at what's going on today. a lot of things depicted are from 30, 40 years ago. are we perfect? have we learned? has there been a learning curve in zoos and aquariums in yen? what i can say to you is that no one cares more about their animals than today's modern trainers. >> i take your word on that. i think there's a difference between a zoo, which keeps animals and trying to make sure they in a go...