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>> there are some facilities that are coastal areas around the world, they actually open the gate, take them out and the animals come back. >> that's very good to hear. >> so a lot of -- >> but why do you think, honestly, if you know about this, and we're here to hear from you, but i think when people watch this film, they'll say why are the dorsal films collapsing, why are they gnawing their teeth? why are you putting different fish together so they're fighting with each other? what is the good in that? why don't you put them in different housing? >> again without getting too deep in the wood...

Closing that door and knowing he's locked in there for the whole night is like -- to staff it's whoa! this is really heartbreaking stuff, newt. there's stuff in this film that's so compelling and unbelievable. one of the things is that you have one orca that has killed three human beings. that's three more human beings than all the orcas in the world that have ever killed, because orcas don't kill human beings in nature. but they do in captivity. this film is an indictment of of the entire system of grabbing the animals and holding them in captivity. >> i do think that "blackfish is a very com...

Wildlife trainer and conservationist. listen, tonight cnn is airing a film, it's a tough one. it's about a woman, a trainer. she was actually killed by one of the orcas at seaworld. as a dad i've taken my kid to these big aquariums. i always had a great time. i thought it was wonderful. you're seeing these big animals up close, so i was really shocked when i learned how risky these jobs are for the trainers, and how terrible the conditions are for these magnificent creatures after they get captured. look at this clip from the film "blackfish." >> we started having difficulty getting them into ...

Baseball games. so, tim, wouldn't you agree that we shouldn't close the nation's zoos and aquariums, though there may occasionally be specific problems? >> i think zoos can serve a great purpose and there are many animals that work well in zoos. i think the question is, should all animals be in zoos? one important distinction i want to make is we're talking about zoos, and how they teach people with natural history. seaworld killer whale shows have fireworks, they have rock music, flarning lights. there's not much natural history talk about killer whales in those shows. so when you're asking t...

Animals in captivity. there is a trainer safety issue, and that's also part of the story. but i think most people come away tr the movie trying to answer that question. if you take large highly intelligent, self aware animals, there are very few species that are self aware like humans are and you put them in an environment like seaworld, which is not a very natural environment. most zoos have very natural environments and they teach audiences about the natural histories of the animals. seaworld is about one thing. entertainment. entertainment is fine, but you have to ask the question at what c...