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I think the risk with that is the hostility and people don't want another trump. and i'm not saying that joe biden is. but, you know, him trying to knock out trump and just talking about trump, that's the rifb. and people just say i'm so sick of this. >> during the debate, you know trump is going to be pulling punches. don't you have to be able to swipe back? >> and i think it's an interesting contrast, trump is a bully, i'm going to punch him in the face, versus he's a criminal and i'm going to prosecute him. how do all these candidates on the stage deal with trump? how do they categorize him...