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and the 737 programmes. well, the 787 programme has been hamstrung for years now by quality—control problems. some of those seem to have affected the 737 max programme, as well. with all of this coming together and lasting so long, does that suggest there's some kind of fundamental issue, either with boeing or its suppliers? oh, i don't think so, theo. i think there are two things here. the first is that you have seen, you know, a very strong embrace by the boeing company and by industry on transparency, and the way that we address things like non—conformance in the manufacturing process. and so every non—conformance we're talking about, we're talking about with our suppliers who are in the middle of them, we're talking about with customers who are affected by deliveries, we're talking about with the regulator, as we all are striving for that very first principle — safety first. that embrace of transparencyjust means we're having this conversation more out in public as opposed to inside the walls of industry. but let's look to the future a little bit. you and airbus, you're now talking about a next generation of planes.
incredible planning. the one thing i like to say, a little bit in response, i don't think we need transparencyjust response, i don't think we need transparency just yet on the circumstances surrounding this. this is incredibly consequential investigation and any public statements right now about the who, the wide, the aware of what they were looking for, i believe is a former prosecutor would jeopardise that investigation. i think this evidence will come out. i think there will be transparency at some time but not right now, not as they are piecing all these pieces of the puzzle together. t’m are piecing all these pieces of the puzzle together.— are piecing all these pieces of the puzzle together. i'm thinking back to the time _ puzzle together. i'm thinking back to the time in _ puzzle together. i'm thinking back to the time in 2016 _ puzzle together. i'm thinking back to the time in 2016 when - puzzle together. i'm thinking back to the time in 2016 when james i to the time in 2016 whenjames called me came out, do then head of the fbi and explained what he was doing, investigating hillary clinton six weeks before investigation and all hell broke loose because of that. in no way you're damned if you do damned if you don't. the problem is, the narrative is being set by the trump family. i wonder how long you can let that permeate, that idea