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Trump tower meeting. kushner said he didn't know if he would alert the fbi if he got a similar e-mail. hard to do hypotheticals. tray dowdy, thank you for being with us, sir. >> thank you for having me. >> shannon: the mueller report didn't find collusion or coordination based on that trump tower meeting. you can see jared kushner is getting heat to his answers to the question. >> yeah, we spent about 10 hours with jared when i was on the house intelligence committee. he's not a professional witness. here's what i remember. as soon as he got in the meeting, he looked for a way to get out of th...

Tray dowdy is a colleague of his. should he demand others be included. >> i don't know if that's his call. i don't want to lay this on the speaker's lap. the meeting was initiated by the president, as i understand it and i also understand that senators warren and burr -- excuse me. -- warner and burr. >> sure. >> which demonstrated a rye lukt ant to engage in the meeting or obtain this information for fear it may leak. we are dealing with highly sensitive investigation for fear that once it is discussed it gets politicized. this investigation is already politicized. i'm wondering why the meeti...

Charged anything on collusion. he seems to be building a number of cases. >> he certainly does. and, you know, anderson we're 14 months into the trump precedency. so let's assume those who are the president's biggest critics are right and there was collusion. we shouldn't wait any longer to see the evidence. let's find out what the evidence is today and if 14 months into the this presidency there isn't evidence of collusion i think it's important to move on. but of course if the special counsel has evidence i think the americans should be eager to see you. >> i want to play you something your ...

We don't know what level it rises and whether it rises to the level of donald trump or his family. but certainly the special prosecutor is putting dots together. and why we should believe at this point donald trump when he says there's been no collusion, when everything else practically that he has said in this matter has been shown to be false, goes back to tray's statement, act like an innocent person and say i'm an open book, have the investigation run its course and when it's finished there ought to be an investigation into the investigators because they've abused their power. if indeed th...

Publicly. >> that's a pretty stunning statement that i want you to have repeat that you're saying in your opinion donald trump has gone farther than richard nixon did to obstruct justice. >> that's exactly what i'm saying. i think trump is nixon on steroids and stilts. >> carl, i've got to get you in. do you agree with that? >> i think there is no question that he has presided over a cover up from day one. the question is what is the criminality of the cover up that he is presiding over and that's why we have a special prosecutor. but there's no question whatsoever that he has sought at every ...