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Here. you're playing the game where they selectively leak stuff that is not subject to cross-examination. >> okay. >> rigorous review. check against documents and timelines. by the way, when they had to do this in the open in the russia investigation, with mueller, with lewandowski, democrats looked terrible. now they're trying to do things in secret so we can have interviews so you can cherry pick elements of leaked testimony and ask me about them when i wasn't in there, you didn't see the testimony, and more importantly we're unable to see how those statements hold up against cross-examinati...

Though at this point so much of the criticism from republicans is not on the substance as we talked about, is not on the alleged quid pro quo, it's on the process and how this is going down. >> i think that that is the key point here, hallie. the move that you just mapped out by senator graham fits into this broader strategy that we are seeing play out by the white house, by republicans on capitol hill. they are trying to fight this battle on process. that is how they're trying to win over the court of public opinion to say wait a minute, this has not been an open process. that's why you saw t...

Anonymous intelligence community employee whose complaint yishated the so-called impeachment inquiry. chairman schiff has not made that announcement. is the whistleblower not going to testify? has that decision been made? >> i don't know that that decision has been made. it's important again, to keep it clear, what they're trying to do is obfuscate the facts right in front of their faces. the whistleblower presented information which has been corroborated by all the testimony that we've seen and actually has been corroborated by the president of the united states himself. it may be an interest...

It creates a lot of furor, the president pounds, the members -- you have to keep moving this along. >> you talk about pounding the table, congressman killty talked about pounding the table that's what republicans are doing because he says they don't have an argument to be made on substance. do you think that's fair and triggered the gop stunt or sit-in, whatever you want to call it? >> the substance is going to drive and eclipse the process here. bill taylor is someone i worked with. he worked for me actually at the u.s. institute of peace. americans are going to look or hear from bill taylor ...

One. mitch mcconnell contradicted the president about a phone call the president said he had with him. do you see these small cracks as being potentially something that could grow into a bigger problem for the president? >> i think members are having a hard time on content now. and you can only pound process so long. >> yeah. >> ukraine is a friend of the united states. russia not so much. and until we get our head around the content i have a feeling the process will be a side show. >> tara, i appreciate you coming on. we have so much more to get to. another democrat who has appeared to qualif...