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To glenn's point, is that when you take all of them together, they do trend towards showing certain states of mind and that trump was thinking about this, he was weighing what had gone on in a serious way, he knew that there might be political consequences, and if, to cleanse, point there is more evidence of prior conversations about trump explore whether or not there could be a pardon for him, if he stepped down, then i think we begin to develop evidence that could show intent and knowledge on the part of trump. >> let's talk about this new court filing last night from the january six committ...

They don't carry the same credibility as a statement that's made in court or statement that's made officially recorded or on the record. this would at best be kevin mccarthy's recollection of what trump said, and of course there's a lot of waffle room in a statement like that. there are ways to parse what the word responsibility means. but what i like about these conversations and these tapes, to glenn's point, is that when you take all of them together, they do trend towards showing certain states of mind and that trump was thinking about this, he was weighing what had gone on in a serious wa...