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A good argument but the only argument they have is this was wrong, wrong, wrong. and you heard representative hurd do this, hurd said the only rational thing you can say which is he said the call on july 25th was wrong, white house bungling just not impeachable. i mean, which is not true, we should say. and i think what was so important about the testimony which was different from the depositions was the power of the points about national security and the abuse of office for trump's personal gain at the expense of us. >> yes. and one thing that really -- >> yeah, you can talk. >> anyway, the f...

Impeachment, even worthy of removal? congressman peter welch, vermont, democrat, member of the intel committee, one of the fact finders, distinguished himself with his questioning in a lot of the testimony. welcome to "prime time." good to see you. >> good to be here. >> so the best conversations are always before we go on air. you watched this testimony, fiona hill. wow. boy, what a great servant. vindman, taylor, yovanovitch, wow. i'm proud to be an american. it's great to have them in service. they seemed credible and good. sondland a little sideways, has trouble sticking to his story. but ...

With his questioning in a lot of the testimony. welcome to "prime time." good to see you. >> good to be here. >> so the best conversations are always before we go on air. you watched this testimony, fiona hill. wow. boy, what a great servant. vindman, taylor, yovanovitch, wow. i'm proud to be an american. it's great to have them in service. they seemed credible and good. sondland a little sideways, has trouble sticking to his story. but people watched the spectacle and they shake their heads, congressman, and they say these guys can't agree on two plus two equalling four. what's the message to...

On the mathematical equation that two plus two equals four, the presumption. you add it all up and what you have is publicly the president and his aides and allies are claiming that they want a trial, that they think the facts cut in their direction and that they will ultimately be vindicated. that doesn't account for the prospect of new additional evidence and you have the mysterious tweet by former national security adviser john bolton saying that more is to come. and we still don't know how the courts are going to rule whether or not john bolton can actually and should be compelled to testi...

Fact joe biden -- it makes absolutely no sense. and she -- what you saw today was two people saying no one had to tell me explicitly although again giuliani was explicit about it because i was putting this is the two plus two is four together. what the republicans keep trying to come back to is well nobody said explicitly that's what it was. just like nobody said it's a quid pro quo at the time. and, you know, that's not how criminals crime. that's don't say it explicitly as they're doing it. >> that's not how politicians talk, by the way. it's grunts and groans, come on you know what i want. ...