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Ambassador sondland, you have used the words presume, presumption, presuming, some form of the verb to presume repeatedly and today you said that was the problem, mr. goldman. no one ever told me the aide was tied to anything. i was presuming it was. a mathematic fact, two plus two does equal four but in reality, two presumptions plus two presumptions does not equal even one fact. fact is the president did tell you, ambassador sondland, no quid pro quo. that's a fact. another fact, no quid pro quo occurred. this time i would like to yield to mr. conway. >> entering into the record a "washingto...

Of aid, i later came to believe that the resumption of security aid would not occur until there was a public statement from ukraine committing to the investigations, correct? >> correct. >> and you acknowledge that this is speculation, right? >> it was a presumption. >> okay. it was a guess, in fact, i think you even said this morning. >> well, i want to say that it goes back to mr. goldman's point or mr. schiff's, two plus two equalled four at that point. >> but you didn't have evidence? >> other than the aid wasn't being released and we weren't getting anywhere with the ukrainians. >> but di...

These investigations by president zelenskiy needed to be public and that that announcement was conditioned on -- that announcement would ultimately release the aid. do you recall that conversation with ambassador taylor? >> again, my conversation with ambassador taylor, my conversation with senator johnson were all my personal belief, just based on as you put it two plus two equals four. >> well, in his testimony ambassador taylor says that you said that president trump had told you that he wanted president zelenskiy to state publicly. as of september 1st, do you have any reason to doubt ambas...

Ambassador sondland, you honestly have used the words presumed, presumption, presuming, some form of the verb to presume repeatedly today. and said you said that was the problem, no one ever told me the aid was tied to anything. i was presuming it was. you see, in mathematic fact, two plus two does equal four. but two presumptions plus two presumptions does not equal even one fact. and the fact is, the president did tell you, ambassador sondland, no quid pro quo. that's a fact. and another fact, no quid pro quo occurred. this time i would like to yield to mr. conway. >> i would like to consent...

And he also said they tried to take me down. >> that's correct. >> they tried to take him down. i think any logical person that wants to do two plus two plus equal four games would say that that was in the 2016 election, wasn't it? >> i believe that's what he was referring to, yes. right. >> so during all of this time, and remember, in the spring the democrats russian hoax witch-hunt is still ongoing. they're still claiming that president trump is a russian agent. they're out to get president trump at the time. his personal attorney is then interested in trying to figure out, hey, who are the ...