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Conversation with gun safety activist david hogg. A caught up with him on the mall, to discuss the plague of gun violence ands latest chapter on right here on nbc. The last few weeks have been historic, unprecedented and yes at times pretty alarming. Former President Donald Trump is under an avalanche of legal trouble. And remember those, cases are not just about the criminal conduct of one man. They are about the future of our democracy, our very way of life. The stakes for this country cannot be higher in this moment, and the question who is leading the country impacts every single issue car...

I think that the policies that the president has pushed, that i voted for when i was in congress, the i.r.a., chips bill, ohio is front and center to benefit from that. we're going to have a chip manufacturer here, data centers, natural gas power plants, things are starting to move. it is going to take a while for that to really sink in for most people to where they can relax. and they will realize that they're going to have a bright future. >> i know you said you're not going to field a no labels type ticket, or third party ticket. i think you said you're not going to get involved in the pres...

Now, you're seeing the difference. that's why you're seeing democrats nervous. could it be de ja vu again in iowa where she didn't just finish second but finished third? >> joe, everyone talks about the sanders thing is this liberal side thing. what kind of ticket would you have? >> not literally but a biden/sanders type ticket would go to the idea there's an electoral concern with her and policy concern with the base that sanders fixes. is that something you have to worry about? >> you always have to worry about it. what really matters is what the voters do on the actual days. days of the ele...