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After Robert Miller s testimony it seemed like talk of impeaching President Trump had slowed down House Speaker Nancy Pelosi refused to even talk about it publicly until just a couple days ago but now all of that has changed the President must be held to. No one is a part of the law that was Speaker Pelosi talking yesterday she announced she s opening an official impeachment inquiry into the president based on a July phone call that he made to Ukraine s president followed emirs alleged scheme President Trump admits that in that call he asked the Ukrainian president to investigate his political opponent former Vice President Joe Biden now we have not seen a transcript of that call but the White House says it will release it later this morning so how will improve impeachment proceedings proceed Nick Akerman served on the prosecution team that investigated President Richard Nixon during the Watergate scandal which led to impeachment hearings and Nixon s resignation Good morning good morning thank you for having me. So in your capacity as a lawyer let me ask you is it illegal for a sitting president to pressure Ukraine s president to investigate a political rival. It certainly depends on all of the facts but it would seem in this circumstance it wasn t only pressuring a foreign leader to investigate a rival which probably could likely violate the campaign finance laws seeking something of a from a foreign person which is against the law but what makes it even more egregious here is the holding off of aid to Ukraine which had been appropriated by Congress that was desperately needed for the government to fend off for the Russian incursion into Ukraine so it the whole matter itself raises incredibly serious allegations will President Trump has admitted that he held off the aid but he hasn t yet said he hasn t said I should say that he did it because Ukraine did not did not exceed his request right so I guess what I m pointing to is if there are some facts that we know and there are some facts that we don t at this point at this moment what are the facts that you would like to know before you can say openly the president s actions were an impeachable offense What do you want to know still well I think what I d want to know is how many calls were there how many times did he speak to the Ukraine president how many times did Rudy Giuliani make overtures to various people apparently he met with people in Madrid what was said there what happened in those conversations and why were they made what was asked for I d want to be looking at exactly what the circumstances were on the withholding of the appropriated money to Ukraine what was unusual Why didn t it go over what did the president say to various people there s also reports in the press that apparently a number of. National security people were very nervous about the president speaking to the president of Ukraine for the very reason that we now find happened you know what was it that led them to believe in the 1st instance that President Trump would be making an overture to try and get the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe bribe Biden I mean I d want to know all of those facts there are lots of witnesses that would be involved in this all of these people have to be spoken to it s not just the whistleblower that was involved but it sounds like there are many many people here who have relevant knowledge as to the circumstances surrounding this whole matter is the transcript enough do you think or do you think we need the whistle blow blowers full complaint Oh I don t think the transcript comes close I mean I ll take one transcript of one conversation transcripts aren t always accurate you really have to compare the transcripts of the recording of the conversation if there is such a recording of your experience in Watergate Why is that and we have a situation where Nixon was trying to evade producing the tapes and giving his transcripts that were going to be listened to by then Senator Stennis who had a hearing problem because of his age so you know you ve got to be very very cautious of relying just on a transcript what do investigators be looking for if they if and when they get a hold of the whistle blowers complaint that will help them determine whether what happened is an impeachable offense what s your complaint that we really want to see we want to know exactly what was said what he based his knowledge on was it firsthand knowledge did he overhear the conversation did he just happen to see a transcript of the conversation afterwards who else did he speak to or what other evidence is out there that corroborates what he says How specific is this complaint how much detail is in there these are all the kinds of things. Is that we ll be looking for the moment that the whistleblower statement comes out and we will you know it will come out all right so I think it s it s inevitable Ok going to come out and I mean I think what we do know though is the inspector general basically said this was an urgent matter and I was significant so it s not like somebody who is in charge of this and is in charge of investigating this in the 1st instance is saying that this is not something that s credible and he s saying just the opposite so that s what makes this so concerning what what happens next as we proceed along the path of this inquiry at this impeachment inquiry I think what we re going to see is with respect to this issue which I think is really the prime issue at the front burner right now we re going to see witnesses called in people spoken to more documents I think they re going to have to really go back and retrace everything that occurred I mean this is going to be a very investigative intensive matter just like I said before because there are questions about why wasn t the money appropriated will what the Trump say to people are why did people go along with it I just think there s just so many people to speak to this is going to be a pretty intensive investigation very briefly given your experience in Watergate how does Congress keep this from becoming political theater we just have a couple seconds I m afraid I think what they really have to do is do a lot of this behind closed doors because a lot of this involves national security issues in classified information so this is got to be held very close to the vest initially and then Congress has to decide what it is they can reveal to the public sounds like about potential for very frustrated they re curious public there for a while anyway but I financially this was come out make Ackerman is a former federal prosecutor who was a member of the Watergate prosecution team sir thank. 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News I m Steve Inskeep and I m Noel King good morning the opera star Placido Domingo has withdrawn from a series of planned performances at the Metropolitan Opera in New York he was supposed to sing tonight but some met employees were upset about having to perform with him after 20 women accused him of sexual misconduct N.P.R. s honest has been following this story she s with us now good morning good morning Noel so I know that you ve been following the story very doggedly What did you find out and did your reporting as I understand it contribute to Domingo pulling out of these performances Yes well I ve reported a couple of stories over the last few days using Matt sources and late yesterday afternoon the Metropolitan Opera general manager Peter Galbraith sent an e-mail to his staff that sources said to me it said to me was withdrawing from all of his upcoming performances at the Met and not only that in a statement clued in that e-mail Domingo himself said he will never perform at the mad again and this is a singer who had performed at the. For 51 years in a row in over 700 performances and now saying after 51 years he ll never perform at the Met again I wonder your sources the people you ve been speaking to have they said anything to you about him. Ending his career at the Met so to speak I have and I think it s important to mention that all my sources asked for anonymity for fair retribution in their workplace one women in the orchestra last night for example told me that she felt relieved that this situation is now over but she noted it was an 11th hour solution that came out of mounting media pressure and I ve heard from a lot of the public as well many who support the decision and some very upset fans interesting that many people still support him well what is Placido Domingo saying about stepping down is he defending himself. In that statement in that. He said he still disputes the allegations from 20 women. Who had come forward but he acknowledged the strain that his presence was putting on his colleagues So he acknowledges that him being there is sort of making a mess of things for the people who are with him given the attention and I know that some of those colleagues his colleagues told you that they felt that women s voices weren t being taken seriously at the Met and they were especially upset by what general manager Peter said in a meeting on Saturday right on Saturday what did Peter guild say exactly right this is how this reporting has contributed to the day we are now this the sources I spoke with were particularly upset about contention that the women s allegations were anonymous and. Uncorroborated the allegations were 1st published by The Associated Press and the a.p. Reported it spoke to dozens of people who corroborated the allegations and 2 of the women who came forward in those reports use their names. So one source text me last night saying that it had taken over a month for the Met to act and this person said quote That illustrates management s lack of a moral compass so again as is true of many of these me 2 stories you have just allegations that the people in charge are not taking the women who come forward seriously I imagine that this will continue to Royal through the Metropolitan Opera for 4 weeks and months to come N.P.R. s honest Thank you so much for your really intrepid reporting on this story we appreciate it you re welcome Noel thanks so much. This is n.p.r. News. 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I m Deb Welsh California is changing the game of collegiate sports with the Fair Pay to play act this bill would allow college athletes to cash in on endorsement deals which is currently against in a regulations Elisia Grant is the widow of baseball great Tony Gwynn both of them as well as their children were college athletes in fact Elisir ran track at Stas shoe she told k.p.s. That scholarship money can only take you so far I love this act and I and I hope it passes because I think the college students need to be in charge of their own likeness and their image and you know I think they should be in control of and I think they should be able to make money off of themselves when Simon is a u.s.d.a. Law professor who had a role in crafting California s fair pay to play act he told p.b.s. What it would look like for college athletes if the bill passed that would mean they could have a Nike contract that would mean if they had some You Tube things up they could they could benefit from that Instagram accounts you know do you know commercials for Cadillac dealers you name it The bill now awaits the governor s signature it s unclear how the n.c. Double a will respond if the bill becomes law but the organizations president said it could prevent California universities from competing in national championships k. P.b.s. News time 745 you may have noticed more street vendors around San Diego this year that s because there are currently no local restrictions on them but hey p.b.s. Reporter Prius reader says. San Diego is now considering cracking down to. Luis Sierra and his friends have been selling jewelry and artwork on the pathway in front of ocean beach for years people come here to vacate. There s a lot of tourism here people just really love with things or hand me but most of the time he s been selling his natural stone jewelry he s technically been committing a misdemeanor it s a way of life so. Whether it s illegal or not if I can do with. Where I m going to still be able to feed myself and those around midnight it has to be done now is state law that went into effect January 1st has decriminalized street funding the idea is to foster entrepreneurship for now cities across California are scrambling to create some regulations that will conform to the new state law Robert faqih is the deputy chief operating officer with the city of San Diego he says cities have to manage issues from vendors who made on trash or blocked access to bathrooms or bus stops so in high traffic areas you re going to be limited to what you can do for vending in the lower traffic areas there s. A lesser restrictions he says vendors will be more restricted on crowded sidewalks like in the Gaslamp District or the boardwalks in Mission Beach and will. Vendors who break rules now will receive take it ranging from $100.00 to $500.00 instead of criminal charges it s all about a balance you have to balance the health and safety of the whole versus the opportunities for the individuals and I think that s what we re trying to do for instance back he says instead of requiring aspiring business owners to pay for high insurance starting out the city is decreasing their liability by limiting where they can operate Sarah Burns heads up the business improvement. For Pacific Beach she says her organization along with most of the merchant associations across Diego are supporting the proposed regulations I mean think of course want to be cautious if you own a coffee shop and now someone s allowed to open a coffee shop right outside your door Of course there s going to be concern and questions with that but the new law says any city regulations can t be to stifle competition they can only focus on public health and safety we didn t start on the sidewalk but we started you know Farmer s Market Street Fair Bernard labile is the owner of California stock company with $500.00 styles and. He started out as a street vendor in San Diego at farmers markets and has now moved on to own 2 stores in Pacific Beach and at the Fashion Valley Mall while he is personally seen the business benefits of starting small he also thinks that vendors should have the same rules as brick and mortar store owners I would like everybody to have and have to pay the same taxation as everybody else same permits same permitting process same taxation of brick and mortar vs Street the new regulations will require street vendors to get a $30.00 permit once a year they will also have to remain within a certain distance of various intersections and loading zones comply with hours of operations in parks and push carts can t be larger than 6 by 4 feet food vendors would also have to get a county health permit but many street vendors like Ryan Gilmore say they haven t really been part of the discussion about new regulations and they re not even sure where to find the information on the rules they would have to follow there s really no current public information. For street vendors you know the only way you re going to know is if they come up and start to tell you to take your stuff down the proposed regulations are set to be heard by city council in October many vendors think they shouldn t be hazily restricted as being out here is what brings people to o.b. It s not just the beach it s. An atmosphere it s a people it s a way of life lucky for Luis he can keep that way of life because Obi is not on the list of places for vendor crackdowns preassure either k p b s news yet 750 times update your wisdom morning drive Here s Tory pack 56 getting busier now almost the 15 out to the 5 and North not much of a break between Benita and Gov 5 has been a whole lot of help a lot of that is because of the heavy traffic on the core not a bridge west 94 pretty solid 125 to the 5 it s almost the same story for the westbound 8 traffic reports made possible by Geico probably offering insurance in San Diego for your car and more additional information to Geico dot com or when 80947 auto for k. P.b.s. Some Tory pac. P.b.s. 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It s due to start in January with the office set to open next summer Prince William has told an international conference on the wildlife trade that future generations would never forgive a failure to act to prevent extinctions He told delegates in London that urgent action was needed to protect wildlife It is heartbreaking to think about time our children are in their twenty s at a fence reiners on tigers might well be extinct in the wild I for 1 am not willing to let my children in the eye and say that we are the generation that let this happen on our watch it is time to treat illegal water trade is a serious organized crime that it is the weather cloud will thicken to bring some patchy rain to get the latest news and sport on line up B.B.C. U.K. Slash 3 counties. B.B.C. . One in my car. On a blank. Line What did you do that. Again you had. Not once but twice but you know good for from 6 o clock tomorrow morning it s Andy Collins. And it s very fine. You re doing your. Read. On B.B.C. Counties radio. Today s program genuinely paid equally for the. People paid more than people from an ethnic background we know there s been a gender pay gap. And age gap as well. You d like to think that was my workplace discrimination recent efforts as yes that there are of course you can text. Your text 3. Quite some time seeing. Should all museums. And should we expect to pay more at premium. Some of these places. Favorite museum. Maybe elsewhere around the world. Most of the museums are free but should the. One of the big stories of the day has been this the company s before surreal the ethnicity pay gap under plans unveiled by the prime minister tell minorities at work Mrs May has launched a consultation on whether mandatory reporting will help address disparities between the pay and career prospects of minorities and she s acknowledged that minorities often feel like they re hitting a brick wall at work The move follows a decision to make firms reveal their gender pay gap which we have perhaps turned a blind eye to for far too long so we know there s a gender pay gap is that also an ethnic pay gap are you paid less if you re from an ethnic minority what s your story. On the phone 08081 double 0 Double A We know this is gender pay gap that hopefully is being addressed properly we re trying to find out if there is an ethnic pay gap whether you are paid less because of your message they or the cover of your skin 3 then deduce as well from that there s an age gap as well that you re paid less depending on your age it s a bigger conversation that it 1st appears debate takes date 13 double 3 Start your text if you want to touch to it takes 3 if you want to join the conversation this whole report the going to put together quite interesting the race disparity and what it is a lot of work into that if you start digging through the details it does throw up some really fascinating questions but we ll talk about ethnic pay gap do you think you have been paid less or you are paid less because of your ethnicity We ll talk about that you can tweet me at all. You can Facebook me and it s the Grammy there s e-mail Roberta Peroni at B.B.C. Took 30 K. And then can we talk museums because this is a conversation that s been brewing for quite a while it s conversation that s been had in fact across Europe and we ve probably you ve probably got a museum whether it s a local museum with one of the big national museums or maybe it s one of those museums or one of those iconic museums elsewhere around the world but should all museums challenge you face and should you pay a premium peak times a number of papers have been following the story for the last few days and they have reported a suggestion that museums and galleries should challenge people more for visiting weekends the former M.P. Tristram Hunt is the director of the tour and I would museum and he suggested that a premium smart price should be introduced for popular visiting times with weekdays costing less. Free museums and galleries are a blessing the. Only way I will bless in this country with a huge number of the free venues to go and explore the arts and own history but there is a cost question about how do you sustain these magnificent facilities should they challenge and intrigue they Some also donations but should they actually put. It to go into natural should museum and then it becomes complicated because it s Tristram Hunt the director the V.N.A. Said Will lot of people spend a lot of money they will pay a premium for cricket for fetes for the cinema a full football matches why shouldn t people buy a premium at weekends during school holidays to go to a museum or not and what do you think. Smack in the sun is next Smokey Robinson America s Tracks of My Tears gone off to maybe it s 50 minutes past 3 workplace discrimination exists and we ve found that out until recently with the gender pay gap before you genuinely paid equally for the work you produce all. To put it bluntly all white people paid more than people from an ethnic background companies may be forced to reveal their ethnicity pay gap on the plans unveiled by the prime minister to try and help minorities at work Mrs May has launched a consultation on whether Amanda true reporting will help address differences between the pay and career prospects of community and the move follows a decision to make firms real the gender pay gap but is it real and that this is not the easiest subject in the world to get into but actually it is one of the most valid speak to a doctor of the education race stop Tomalin Ellis Dr Very good afternoon to you Good afternoon welcome that many people would have perhaps turn their nose up and said there s no such thing there is no gap between men and women between between races ethnicity or even age but the the the the gender gap. Is something going on. Yes So I mean I think it s. You know it be difficult to believe that it s probably equal across race and ethnicity and that it s just gender. And that everything is fine across class as well I think it s a problem even when we had. B.B.C. Star reveals what they earned a lot of black stars working for the B.B.C. Were actually afraid to leave feel anything for fear of losing their jobs so. There was this portion of the amount of well I wonder what the blacks fall far but there was relative silence and I know that some of. Approach were afraid to do that so we publicly shoot inequality race and ethnicity and I don t think that would surprise anybody OK how do we how do we set to uncover had to go about uncovering this I mean I m trying to read the government s rights disparity about it from the Cabinet Office is often and there s a lot of that to go through how do we prove to people if we did the conversation a year ago maybe more about the gender pay gap and said there are men and women are paid the same Clearly they are not and have not been how do you prove that your ethnicity may have a bearing on what you paid. You know I think the biggest problem is a lack of will I mean even in this announcement this is a consultation to find out. As if we don t already know and this consultation would just last until January and quite honestly you know we have to be careful with consultations that it has the performance of being concerned without actually any real commitment and intent to do anything I m not sure whether we need another consultation and treason May was the women inequality is also a minister. You know she didn t do a great deal to learn she hasn t done a great deal in the last reshuffle for women on her cabinet and the U.K. Was one of the countries that objected to quotas went for the European Commission for bombing the countries about the will that look like that can I just interrupt you there for a moment and Miss This is made the prime minister didn t make a huge make huge inroads when she changed the cover a point to the cabinet Surely you should appoint people on the merits on on their merits not because they re man woman told say in fact white black do you that surely anybody should be appointed all merit alone. You know I think we ve got I mean this is what Margaret Thatcher set in with her we re still in the same place when we have these arguments it suggests there s a sort of that are causing me to suggest that if you don t have a woman it s to do with her ability or a black person is to do with their ability but we don t say peace if we say a lot of white men do it we don t YOU can t we can t really level that accusation threesome as prime minister when she s appointed such a job it is the home secretary of the the most high ranking roles in government. Yeah and also we ve got this shown plainly for any human perspective they re blind and yes Kendra yeah now that the problem is that they certainly are black people out there we can t argue that but actually if you look at for example Sean Taylor s recent comments 1st week it had a lot of culturalism sex making had tracked single mothers This is absurd of a performance of a lot of stereotyping So it s not enough just to choose black people you know from when we re really looking at the breakdowns of how you re going to pay. Black people and when. Looking really deep down into the substance of it this is about a commitment a will to do equality and rather than the performance of equality which is what s this prime minister is doing when we look at the Home Secretary if we can we just broaden the idea of an ethnic pay gap does it exist Dr and how do we prove it will we have people now coming forward and say look on I think I am paid 10 percent less than my colleagues in same job because of my if Misty is not going to be the story here I have heard of the in Egypt you can put it on individuals because people want to keep their jobs I think the Equality Act 2010 had a lot of good ideas about what you about the public commitment the public changes to disclose to public bodies and they ve been lots and lots and lots of discussions about quotas so the corporation representation which they ve cut this government normally blocks so look we have a poker face you cannot pretend you re really committed to these things and have a lack of will at the same time. Line so I am suggesting to use that it s not difficult to stop and I just wish and put these things in place and it was really tense to do this and the equality. That was water. And aren t you know so it s always about honesty the lack of Loo will make little changes. A mostly there for time reasons out of it sank you for your time is often end of the modern Ellis an exponential cation and rice the gender pay gap we know it exists we know it s there and it s being addressed hopefully by the big corporations the search is on now to see whether there s enough an ethnic pay gap how do we prove it. Easy possible there is a genuine ethnic pay get that you paid less because your ethnicity or an age gap as well or you paid less depending on their stage in your life you can text at 138 double 3 Start your text 3 C.R. . And Molly my some questions of 3 of my the promise that she can because a lot of things are in the wind was an absolute scandal but I don t see unique use the prime minister appointing people in a cabinet. For anything less than their ability I mean such a job at Home Secretary in the psych Surely she s appointing people and she has appointed people for the right job the right people for the right job. I will talk museums where they should charge and whether you charge a premium at peak times and that means paying a little bit more at the weekend or during school holidays and you catch up with a story that s emerging from Australia Australia is planning to ban new migrants from living in Sydney and Melbourne in an attempt to alleviate pressure on schools health care public transport and housing similar problems we ve had here of course . Is it an infringement of someone s right if we tell them yeah more than welcome to come and live in the U.K. But we will tell you when you can leave them with the phone. Good. For you trouble very devious going to be busy. Busy. Main Road sounds and as there is an ongoing incident only that will have an impact on the M 25 as we head into was the peak of. The rush hour you can call you can text your travelers through the place above all else stay safe as the nickel will come back to your comments very shortly because generous is off thank you so much. This pay gap so a really important story is a really difficult story to to break down To be honest with you but we don t do easy progress we know there is a gender pay gap and that hopefully is being addressed. If there has been a gender pay gap where women paid less have been paid less than men is it safe to assume there s also an ethnic also an age gap as well so what s your story do you think you might be paid less because of your ethnicity. I will talk museums with the museums should charge a fee and with that faith should be a little bit increased a premium charged the weekends and during the school holidays. B.B.C. 3 Counties radio. I m watching only everyone know the name crawling from Junction. Down now heading into home plate and it s like I m very busy only by that. Direction. Right junction. Right that s already crawling. Like happened. And it won t fit the. Roundabout Emmet in B.B.C. 3 Counties radio. Just before. Through the Russia and into the early part of the evening every 15 minutes the best try. All live on the radio. The bed and this is B.B.C. 3 Counties radio. It s 330 I m Jane Killick 3 ambulances have been sent to what s been described as a serious multi vehicle collision on the M 4 motorway it happened on the East Bank carriage way between junction 14 for Shefford woodlands and junction 13 for new pre which has now been closed 2 crew members of a Russian Soyuz rocket are said to be in a good condition after they were forced to make an emergency landing that craft suffered a problem with a booster rocket shortly after takeoff on a mission to the International Space Station the parent company of patisserie Valerie has announced that it will be forced to stop trading without an immediate cash injection the cafe chain is facing a fight for survival after receiving a winding up petition over unpaid taxes Goldman Sachs is expecting to open a new office in Milton Keynes his 1st British office outside of London will serve as a customer call center and will employ 150 people although that figure could grow to 250 where the beds are some bucks turning cloudy and damp this afternoon as the headlines the next bit in is that for Jane thank you D.C. 3 counties radio. Control series a fantastic business panel. Politics damages from 6 to 91 of them belong 4 to making this play for a long long time the landlady runs a pub in Ellsbury and hosts regular politics debates and her puppies could be amazing and other great guests joining us will look I will come back to this takes the test reviler a story has been knocking around for 24 hours or so any idea what happened there could have been potentially Valorie apart on the brink of collapse the Catholic chain says it needs an immediate injection of capital to continue trading or will fell the uncovered a black hole a financial black hole of many millions of pounds How s that possible. If you have been I mean the friend I look at them they just amazing and they still do that thing about history Valerie where when you if you sit down and place an order the waitress on the way to come along that have a write down that they memorize it and just and the cakes but it takes 813 double 3 Start your text 3 so a couple tell you what the taste like but they looked just. Right Marian says Rob I m surprised that Tristram Hunt suggesting museum charges since he was part of a Labor government who stopped the charges for museums as he will know and more ordinary people more more new people can afford to go to museums and shows in the especially because of the cost not just getting the price of tickets or suggesting a fee is not on because in all areas of the Arts where the museums will theaters will only be for the so-called middle classes and above can you imagine how many customers will get the Rothchild train museum if they start charging even if it is middle class tring says Matt and me with some really good points. Strangely enough this story about museums and art galleries has been doing the rounds across Europe or some of not been look at it vaguely on a for a couple of months then all countries have the same problem with the level of austerity and trying to balance the books and how do you pay for the arts and how do you pay for these magnificent buildings museums and art galleries because it is very expensive. To keep my pen and to run them and the ideas being floated again to charge for museums and to then charge a premium at peak times so weekends when there are more people going in school holidays Christmas break for example you d get you get paid more is that acceptable and we have there are great museums every country has one for museums that we have of the British Library British Museum Natural History Museum natural we blessed with museums Manawatu and locally everywhere you go across beds on some bucks there are some outstanding museums but should they charge and should they charge a premium at peak times you can tweet talk all on the issue over the ethnic pay gap how do we prove it exists that I think is the key question companies be forced to reveal their ethnicity pay gap on the plans of the old by the prime minister to help minorities work I don t think you can actually level any accusation of her for trying to do the right thing which she seems to be we now know there is a gender pay gap and that hopefully is being addressed is there an ethnic pay gap is there also an age gap as well. Steve Israel obviously motorcycles from the 40 years in that time I ve only met a few black people running them should the government look into the reason why and what about all the poor low paid pale looking people in this country in reality it s that even certain industries the promotion will go to a by a black person that is these days is they ve lost the government will be on to them if they thank you. It s not true if you look whatever you do for whatever you may have done for a living. Have you ever thought that you were paid less than your colleagues your work friends because of the color of the skids. Riffle for about this story that s emerging from all straight Australia plans to ban new migrants from living in Sydney and Melbourne the policies designed to counter population growth in the 2 launches cities in Australia and alleviate the pressure on schools the health care system public transport and even housing similar problems I guess to the ones we experience in some parts of the U.K. . Naturally tend to migrate towards London and the south east but is it any infringement of someone s rights if we tell them yes you will the welcome to come to the U.K. To work and live and make your home aesthetic but can we tell them where they can get to which parts of the country. Strains are pretty radical thing immigration police have very fierce of course very protective of the state. But it s just the right way to do it and would it work here we ll deal with that story in the next 1015 minutes all told museums whether museums should charge a fee and should perhaps pay a premium at peak times a number of newspapers a reporter the suggestion this week of the museums and galleries should charge people more for visiting weekends the former M.P. Tristram Hunt who is the director of the Victorian home museum has suggested that a premium small price should be introduced for popular visiting times with weekday visits costing a lot less so should we start paying an interfaith Museum in an gallery and should be expected more on the weekends and school whole day for example when the busier Let s talk to genius historian and author Jane very good afternoon to thank you for joining us. Jane this is all down to smart pricing as they very cleverly call it is a good idea no you know I don t think we should be charging for museums connect to this into a tool you know you want to take your children to their education. All the things I did in the school holidays. I can t believe. We re talking about just. How do you fund them then. I know it s difficult and I do know that that is that I can see that the dichotomy and we did we are blessed with locally some amazing museums and galleries nationally of course I mean we really have got beautiful be wonderful institutions in the community and across the world of course these places are just brilliant but the place full of them. I know it s difficult I paid last year to go to the Royal Academy for the king child exhibition and pay quite a lot of money but it was fabulous and I understood that those pieces those pieces there ought had been right across the world some of them to be put together again you know for the 1st time in a font just so yes I grizzled but I paid so I do understand that there is a cost to all these big exhibitions but I still think we should do our very very best to keep it free for families and for the people who live in this country I mean maybe we do put at risk tax on maybe we do start to charge I pay when I go to other countries maybe that s what we do good if you ve got a local postcode maybe you get in for free and perhaps if you are to restore a visitor you don t I mean that s an interesting proposition it s come up before because how do you how do you differentiate between someone who lives in the U.K. a Tax U.K. Tax payer and someone is here on holiday at the point of entry Do you often show. Some form or D. a Passport or something usually scan exactly the question of are you discriminating at the point of entry. So I think you probably are but I don t think that if I m a right to. Expect to get into my local museum for nothing I m paying for it on time so I would expect to provide proof of where I live and if my postcode it s and opens to it if you go to the ram him you see him and Dobyns if your local ratepayer is different than if you re a visitor. You me asking Jane how much you pay for all economy roughly. I think it was but 25 times and for most people not a huge amount for some they just haven t got 25 pounds because you ve got a family for example the question then is. How do you have a 2 tier system where you have you know an art gallery shows the basic some basic works of art and then if something except you comes on only people who can pay can see and there are lots of different connotations and that s why the stories is so complicated I think it s very complicated I think your average museum your big museum the British Museum the V.N.A. I think they have to stay as free they are part of everyone everyone said to cation and we should all be able to benefit from that I don t think we should ever go back to charging for those things I think there is some justification for charging for special exhibitions that have obviously cost a lot of money to gather together and to push on like they were kind to me. And although I m not you know I m not happy about paying 20 and then I accept I m going to have to pay because there s been a lot of people involved in it and a lot of movement and it costs so yeah I can see some of it but I just think we should we need to sort of way that banner and say come on this is education this is going to be free showers we can possibly manage to do it Jane pleasure talking with even more parents taking kids out of school during the week by the way the new settlements tumble museum is free I m being young and trying to get sometimes a thank you. Education Culture is vitally important to our upbringing not just the children brought us it s good for the soul but being to not gallery museum is amazing right and we have we are blessed in this country locally with some really museums nationally with some world Colossus museums British Library National Gallery the Science Museum the V.N.A. Birthplace of the stuff Tristram Hunt former M.P. The director of the museum is going into this week suggesting that museums and art galleries should charge people more for visiting at weekends and there s a lone running conversation here about whether we should charge for museum an art gallery entry anyway because someone has to pick up the tab you more the book to tell me about your favorite museum and how it works around the world because this conversation I mean sometimes they can everyone is suffering some level of austerity and trying to find out how to fund the arts cuts the Smithsonian I want to welcome Texas 13 double 3 start the text 3 let s talk about Australia yesterday government is considering banning new migrants from living in Sydney and Melbourne the policy is designed to counter population growth in the 2 largest cities in Australia and alleviate pressure on the health care system on schools public transport and on housing and we could have a very similar conversation here about the pressure on the vital services I mean people if they come to the U.K. Tend to migrate towards London and the south east but he s an infringement of someone s rights if we. Say you re more than welcome to come to U.K. To live work love and the what you want to do but we will tell you where you can live more importantly where you can t live. This helpful housing crisis for example money Maurice a senior research fellow at the Institute for Public Policy Research money good afternoon to you. Welcome to the program could this sort of difficult it would be good to help our housing crisis. I think there are ways in which to scheme could work not just to reduce prices in. Areas where. You know large populations they could also help to. Kind of re. Other parts of the country where they are actually are. Depopulation she s ill or actually you know lower public population actually you know you can actually find ways to incentivize lichens to move to parts of the country for instance northeast this. Is quite a strong Let s go to Mansell for migration to actually kind of rebalance the economy into a truck skilled migrants in other parts of the country that where there s a strong link you can see why for some people it would make sense. To some people it would be seen as rather inflammatory when the strains of a particular way of dealing with migration or immigration and it s and they have a very. Very tough. Yeah absolutely and you know there are ways in which this could be implemented which would be very concerning for true with respect to human rights and oversee you know any system the tracks people in particular areas in a very nice small areas or the kind of places very tight restrictions on visas would be concerning But you know there are ways that we can do this the more about incentivizing people to move to certain areas. And on our streets are saying you know no person coming into any reason can can come to a particular city or their home ways for instance through the current system or you can say the employer sponsored migrants and from particular areas they could for instance face sorry for sold between incentivized. Migrants to move to Arizona side of London or in the southeast because those thresholds would be low and would be easier to get sponsored to work from. Happening off the March 29th next year and now whatever follows will will will affect the country and the people of course. You can see why it makes sense on one hand but then there s this element you ve got to say hang on a minute because the tie to people where they can become restrict people s movement if they want to. You already know we can t say you can t come to London it s twofold we can t. Overload the system can t cope that s where the difficulty arises . After Bret s if the government can t proceed. To restrict people can go. People and so he you know those who no longer under current law be able to come in reside here as freely as they can I suppose that there were there are ways in which you can potentially. Mitigate some of the challenges that the parts of the country will face potentially with those changes by saying well look you know we can actually. Move to different parts of the country so it s actually you know in areas where it maybe were more presses Yes there are controls there are parts of the country actually it s it s a bit easier it s a common to come and actually you know it s not about say you can t come. To buy people to move to some part of the country where they actually really do need to really do need migrants where you know where skilled migrants coming would actually they boost population boost productivity help boost the local economy. A research fellow at the Institute for Public Policy Research into the views on the story of. 3 radical approach to immigration health they are very very tough. They say it says. The country with no job and expects because. To start with and yes the country should be able to take where they go then when they start keeping themselves than they can move basic economics. Get off it is Australia is correct with immigration it would never work in the U.K. As we are too weak on immigration you can text 13 double 3 Start your text 3 I have to confess part of me feels really uncomfortable with this idea from Australia the got this new plan in place to literally bang new migrants from living in Sydney and Melbourne how they legislate for that I have no idea but they do tend to work it out somehow down and so they will say to new people arriving to live work and love in Australia but you can t go to Sydney and Melbourne effectively those 2 cities the full pressure on schools public transport housing and health care. Here. You. Says a sister has trouble coming up very very shortly says. 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Radio London Robert sale. Of adventure it s boys at 4 minutes past 11 which means we one hour down but 2 still to go we re going to fill them up we re going to fill the 1st bit of the next bit with the garden Museum which is just a global award as a leading cultural destination particularly for its cafes so we re going to talk to the cafe manager who s Nick Gilkerson and we re going to talk to Florian we re professional who s the cofounder of the leading cultural destinations award which is a an international award for museums and galleries and the like what s your favorite Gallery in London or museum What would you say I mean the ones that I like that we took about a lot on the show I love so John son s house which I think is from a lot the little ones really Alexa Johnson s house I like the transport museum because electrons and tubes and buses and all that sort stuff. I also do that in terms of the big ones the British Museum I went to I ve done it for a while oh it just went into the British Museum I was not to a specific exhibition just to go and have a look around watch the this is staggering it s so beautiful and so lovely and you could just kind of wondering. Other not Islam was on the Museum of London or I think the Museum along the way in for the new. Not that the current one isn t great to go to easy is really good but I think the new one is going to be absolutely spectacular I have been to the garden museum but I ve never eaten in the café so I m intrigued to find out more. After the obligatory Matt. Arrows alone was she. Needs me. I know. We always need Matt says John and we always get him just decided it s mandatory mat that s what it is man on a Saturday every Saturday as you know on the show and on the I haven t missed certainly not since we decided last on many years we ve been playing man on the SAT I wouldn t be Saturday with that but I m at MOMA and Matt morrow s son is coming in to be our listed Londoner on Monday met Moamar Jr is Alistair London a face in the famous 15 questions among them so they go well we re going to be talking next about the garden Museum but I asked you what your favorite museum I was signed I loved the suggestion Suns I love the British Museum of the grand ones I like the Transport Museum is always fun Museum of long. And let s see what Nick in Brixton thinks Ellen Nick. Seen here will appear warmly Why is that well known. XOVER smile now. While cartwheeling call Holocaust memorial we have Yeah hindsight. Is story very moving we actually did a whole show live from the Imperial War Museum last year and I must admit I hadn t been there for years and I was really impressed with it yeah is a really impressive pleasingly and it is it s a difficult trick because you don t want to you don t want to glorify war and yet you need to tell your story you know because you don t actually replay times tykes I regard Yeah absolutely and you re right where is he going to learn from history you go understanding cool. Yeah I thought Imperial War Museum was really good I mean at the very name is tough imperiled these days we re not quite have the same attitude to impart that we want to did in war but like they pull off a really really difficult trick very very well indeed in that they celebrate the heroism of those who ve given their lives and those who fought in those who ve lost than those of one but they also don t glorify a war they glorify some of the people in war and that s understandable and correct but things like a holocaust kind of tribute and and tributes to many many you know very very decent and good people over there so that s a good one. What ones do you know the museum I don t like and I never liked it now I m never like the Science Museum. It s turned itself into a kindergarten it s like it s always something about Star Wars old doc to rule it s all about pushing buttons or maybe it s just not for me but I never got the Science Museum is to me flash bang wallop are like museums I have there are a bit stuffy of things in old cabinets I think things in old cabinets are a very good thing. That s why that s what I say anyway let s play it. believe me takes some doing. I m told I must head straight down to the gold. Museum to eat at their cafe because it s just one award and the awards are the leading culture destination awards for 2018 and to people here to tell us more one of those is the chef from the garden cat or the Garden Cafe manager rather sorry Nick Gill consume and the other one is Floridian with a failed is the co-founder of the leading culture destination awards welcome both of you to B.B.C. Radio London let me begin with you Florian is this awards for museums or galleries or the shops all the restaurants or the walk. All of it all of all of the above so the their idea is really like that you know if an underwater hotel opens in the mall yet we read about you probably will. Doesn t underwater restaurant in the Maldives and you know you read about it everywhere if a new museum opens it s kind of you have to go to specialized press and it s really I felt like you know that museums they need more exposure in the kind of traditional media channels and. They re more and I think overall you know museums are really great in education but they re not so great maybe sometimes to communicate themselves so what we re trying to do is like to shine a light to some of the most amazing new places around the world but who also like to more established museums around the world and so we re looking really at the museums from a visitors perspective so we look at the restaurants we look at the shops we look at the architecture and to kind of really get travelers to museums and is it say are you putting the British Museum again some time to place you know the toy museum somewhere in Stuttgart or well. I mean because there s still I don t know is that you should say look we interview about 100 people every year like a 100 tastemakers what their favorite places are around the world and out of that we create a long list and we create a short list out of that and then I would jury will votes and you know sometimes like look at the Garden museum for example is a very small organization but they have an amazing lovely restaurant called Guthrie and they won and there s like big museums in Singapore and all over the world what was it they won Best Coffee the best museum restaurant right of the well that s pretty prestigious So we want to bring Mikhail Kingston in at this point how does the museum have a cafe in a restaurant or a restaurant as a restaurant it s been there just over years Israelis and yes they were there s been a cafe of sorts there for. Well 15 years or so but the museum was shut for a couple of years had a big renovation and. The new restaurant has been finished every year. Because we actually did a show there just as the restoration was finished so the restaurant wasn t quite open yet but I mean it is people well I guess people would go past the place without even really knowing is there one that I did when I couldn t find it when I went to my interview Yeah so we want to tell people where it is yes it s Lambeth Palace is right by Lambeth Palace most the most the time people think we are Lambeth Palace it s just across the river from Westminster bishop ever come in thinking he s got his wife doesn t really. Love radio but yeah we do have people from there quite often but we ve got a really nice mixture of guests now it s not just not just people that are coming to the museum we have our own kind of core core business locals who come in people to come in for business become a destination and your own right really you know and it s given that it s a garden museum do you try to reflect that in the rush absolutely the of the many many changes every day. Based on what the chef can get Yeah do you grow any of the projects there because it s not really it s not that sort of goal that is it s not in fact the we the restaurant is now where the Garden was the main the main garden we tried that we are we were head gardener as much as possible to try and use get some some produce that we use the potting plants for. Mr Sherman right and different kind of garnishes for the saddles and things but I want to be more how expensive a place is it to its price a factor. It s a conversation we re constantly having with people from the museum because you know we we want to be accessible for everyone you know people want to come in for coffee in a in a square because if you become really high and find Yang establishment you re excluding quite a lot of people you know we are more expensive than I Most museum cafes but we think we offer something higher level so you know but we we are because of being attached to the museum we can offer slightly. Discounted rates compared to you know if we were in Central London as a standalone restaurant we would be a little bit more expensive real slow and some people say do you think museum should be about the stuff in the museum should be about the paintings or the exhibits or the exhibitions shouldn t be about shops and cafes and all that commercialism Joe but like you know if you see a great show it s great to have a coffee afterwards and to discuss what you have experience and what you have seen and you know I always say like you know used to be exits with the gift shop you know often it s actually for the museums enter through dest restaurant and exit with the exhibition so it s another way to kind of experience culture and I think you know museums are places of social kind of their social hopes to a certain degree where people come together and I think the food eat and drink part of it is part of it you know so. Does it cost to come into the got museum yet there is a there is a new challenge and yeah so do you have to pay to get in to get into the or not and I was so that we have kind of our own entrance right there which people can go through to the museum but we you know enough to pay to come into the into the café right because I mean one of the things that makes London for me so extraordinary is that so many of the great museums are free. That s true. But you know looking at museums like you know some of the museums there but they re struggling with attendance because there s more and more museums opening up so that there s less a zombie this year and yeah I don t think so but it s not really that you know there s less museum visits it s just more cultural offering really and so I think you know and to reach kind of a younger audience you know to have a good F. And B. And hospitality to have a great shop for example I mean if you go to D.N.A. It s a great place to buy Christmas presents for example and so I think it s just a different journey and different way to get people in and I think this is the strategy for of the future for museums so did the V. And I win best shop No they didn t. And it s actually a museum in Austria one and but I think they were nominated to see them so what the other categories you got shop and restaurant were. Shop and restaurant architecture best exhibition most digital experience and then we have the new culture the cities of the year where we have kind of the by region 5 regions. Foundation decides MOCA in the Cape Town won best museum in Africa the power custom You see I m in Peru for the Left in America then we. Travel is a voice which is basically really around kind of you can also experience great art not only museums but also hotels have now great all connections you know best emerging cultural city what was that what was the best emerging coach as Lisbon right you know they opened to Mark museum and Lisbon home of come from Malaga mother has been doing so but interim managers front step mazing I know the Pompidou is opening there that in fact Monaco you wouldn t expect but like Monaco is when I was really. Right although I m a little money on the money manager is what it is only want to look out Yes I mean it s just something that is using me but that s become a thing as if it were using Ah as a way to kind of bring up a bit down or areas that are a bit it s called the Bilbao effect because while there is music exactly the Bilbao had $200000.00 visitors and Bilbo and they open the museum and I would have $5000000.00 visitors into the other thing I would cite is that museums rubbish it s a beautiful piece of architecture it s nothing any. Absolutely. It s there s a truth to it but look I mean the Chinese are opening more than a 1000 museums and really they re wanting 75 episodes of opening within a 1000 museums the next 5 years. That you know I mean we do you do need to have the artifacts or the all or the the ideas or something to put in the museums because I can t just be good architecture good got phase and good restaurants because it s in the end that s an empty experience that the next issue is a bit like that a lot of these museums are being basically built and paid for by tourism because they want to attract tourism the day they open they usually hand over the key to the culture ministry and they say good luck running it but you know education is expensive if you have a hotel you can rent out the rooms every night a museum costs money every day so there s a huge issue coming up where a lot of these museums they will have funding problems the British Museum a lot of museums a lot of their They ve been around for 200 years to do Nick Maisie s job but even they are struggling sometimes for money and so they haven t really thought through of what it actually means to operate a museum now it s very important and I guess if you do have a good shop and you do have a cafe it subsidizes all the the other things that exactly it s an ecosystem. Is a museum might never day yeah we can have 7 days a week we re open for breakfast and lunch and then I open for dinner on Tuesdays and Fridays right we have and how many how many governors so one time we can see 54 people in the restaurant and then on the other side we have like a area where people can have a coffee and a cake so but we will do about on a busy day we ll probably do 7070 people for lunch and lots and lots more for tea and coffee my issues I don t really want to eat bread but your sour dollar with I m happy to let go of that matter are very low if it was unbelievable. Down they get a good lunch but then go into the museum see the see the lights on off and wake up people find out all the stuff about the leading cultural destinations leading cause of this nation s dot com And we ve been hearing about that from Florian with a fellow concerned Gentleman thank you both very very much thank you thank. You. Please Don I want to let you know about. The rebel and come up and see me make me smile about a lovely email from Joe in Twickenham who says I m one lovely small museum that I volunteered for for OPEN HOUSE weekend was at the William Morris society H.Q. On the Thames I am a smith fascinating a pretty little garden loads of Azza facts and good photographs were labelled a giant book of world type of prints some of which I d never seen a lovely shot. Across the river more spent the fun of years of his life here. And it was also a creative and political hob. Best to walk from Ravenscourt Park and go on the subway of the I 4 Incidentally the A 4 was once the end of his garden before being constructed The address is 26 upper Mal have a lovely weekend says Joe into a can of I ve never been there I m an unknown about it. The William Morris society is also William Morris Museum up to move from Star isn t there where he lived I don t think I ve been there ever there were so many museums I wonder if anyone s of a count aid how many museums there are in London I mean if you took all the little ones and all the big ones how many days if you said what if you went to want to die could you go to a different Museum every day for a year I m sure you could I don t know this in charming tree different ones ever done. An adding up of all the museums in London. I mean all of our favorites I tend to return to the same ones time again I really like the portrait the National Portrait museum I love the British Museum. I like the Wallace Collection a lot. That s good café so no I mean we are very very blessed in this particular because most of them are free they re not free to go to you know the big exhibitions but you can understand that because of a lot money a poor. But what I think is great to do with museums is just pop in and see one thing so if you re nearby the British Museum or you nearby the National Gallery go in and look at one picture or one all effect or one room and just spend off an hour if it don t cost anything what s the problem I think I ll carry on shopping or you know drinking or whatever if you re going out anyway it s $1130.00 it s time for the news headlines. 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The Blackwall Tunnel and in the center of town Milbank s closed all weekend between Lamberth Grange and Parliament Square for works inside the Palace of Westminster estate I mean probably the A 21 is busy near to the McDonald s because of temporary traffic lights the M 4 we ve had problems for most of the morning on the M 4 that surely various issues we ve now got delays in both directions between junction 6 of Windsor and the M 25 coming into town the M 4 Scott one lane closed off need to junction 5 at Langley because of a collision still busy on the elevated section as well coming into town and the M 25 slow in a couple of spots but nothing too out of the ordinary the cheap posting a good service aside from the weekend engineering works but on the trains says delays of 20 minutes or so for trains in an ounce of Waterloo because of a signal failure rocks lead B.B.C. Radio London there s more travel just before midday. To me. Was. 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Is gone by Albion legally Mehldau we re back to discuss a book and it s kind of interesting that we re doing this after the sport because when I 1st saw it I assumed it was a book about football it s called Astro Turf but it isn t a book about Queens Park Rangers who read the 1st professional Astroturf pitch actually back in 19 eighties didn t last long maybe it s a book on steroids if that makes any sense whatsoever well it will do because the man sitting opposite who s written it Matthew Sperling will tell us more Matthew welcome to the show thanks very much I mean this is an unlikely thing for a novel a man who. Discovers himself vs steroids ingestion Yes Well I mean it seem to me that writing about the gym was quite under explored area of contemporary life you know something where where a lot of people spent a lot of time you had to man well at the moment I m no much but in Phase I would say pretty you I play I play 50 for a bit by this book is sort of exhausted my my my interest in weightlifting really having written about it instead of instead of getting that serious myself I don t think you have to do a lot of research for it because it is about a kind of it s about a rather murky world yeah. Yeah I did some of it through you know people properly involved in that in that scene and some of it from discovering the kind of online the online versions of that world which which Ned in the book gets involved in the 2nd half we do have this strange sort of sub community subculture of people. Going into extremely detailed knowledge on this kind of esoteric topic which is partly about sports nutrition and partly about kind of amateur chemistry or we sort of average a chemistry sounds dangerous to me I have yeah I would want anybody to take the book of health advice absolutely no but as I said I mean it s a comment is the book is a is it is funny I mean it s meant to be funny yeah that s the that s the idea yeah and it seems to me that most of the treatments of. Steroids and drug culture in the mainstream are sort of a bit. Of sort of moralizing in a way I didn t quite want to do I wanted to have a very reserved narrative voice that lets the thing unfold and gives the subject it s own. Its own its own truth and then let the reader sort of decide what the what the ethical questions here are tell us a bit about your central character. So now they have the star of the book. He s 30 and he acts as a sort of web developer living in a sort of fairly normal I understand which bit of London and is a bit bored in his life is in a little bit of a rut but he s sort of doing all right I didn t want to make it like a loser cut Yeah he s got a job he s just he s just been dumped by his girlfriend so he s not doing very well in that regard but he s he s a little bit dissatisfied in life and he s been a kind of. Interested but I m committed and successful Jim go on and off his life and then of that point he gets tempted by this character Doris who s an unscrupulous personal trainer who who makes this kind of. Demonic offer that you could try this this other technology which would suddenly transform your possibilities of what you could do in the gym I mean you re let your image do that you know I guess if one were getting serious you could say that there s a subtext about instant gratification and identity and all of those kind of thing yeah yeah and I think that s one of the earth one of the patterns for the reader can find in the middle of the book there s a sort of scene where the characters go to see a production of Dr Faustus except the sort of joke is that they completely misunderstand the point of the play and I just totally bored but I thought that they re for the reader to sort of think about what kind of demonic temptations are being being offered now it also involves sock puppets Yes. Most books out of sock puppets. Know I should explain to me in the in the online sense of both identities set up to. Voice opinions on the Internet which are not not one s own so did you spend hours kind of cover ting around the outer reaches of the Internet for the. Yeah I did I I seem to spend. A lot of my time. Lurking in. In the strangest part of the Internet yeah and there s a book you say in 2012 I think in a way of the last few years but the sort of body building chat rooms and forums have. Of lost their life a little because things have moved Instagram a lot more but it s still certainly a very very interesting a vigorous place and in all sorts of ways it s a place where you get people it s sort of it s sort of touches on questions about politics there s a sort of weird bleed between the kind of weightlifting community and then the kind of right and all these there s about masculinity and it s. Also about individuality perhaps and kind of libertarianism and I can take whatever I want to take and it s my money and I ll do with it what I will and exactly I think I think that that morality sets you up quite well for being a success for Jim is the idea of I can personally take control of my circumstances and through Enterprise discipline and hard work I can be success Yeah it s a kind of Darwinian Well you know I suppose in some senses Yeah Darwin with steroids that s right yeah and if Yeah if you have a sort of libertarian view. Of social questions and then the question of why shouldn t I use this substance which happens to be you know legally classified you shouldn t be using it and that s that s not much different from why shouldn t I do any of these other things which are you know which are within my possibilities did you have to make it a morality to I mean I don t want to know the end but do you have to make it a morality tale well. Yeah I don t know how to explain without giving where the end I suppose what I wanted to do was to write one of those books that. You know like in the way that really successful satire is like Wall Street is actually loved by bankers Yeah I wanted to write a sort of book where my up from I mean it s very genuine I went to so will share with a friend of mine and you almost thought it was a how to book exactly like that but yeah I wanted to write a book with which Jim rats could say yes he gets it this is this is my story but also a book which which is the sort of you have a moral satire about world given that it s not about Queens Park Rangers in the 1980 S. Why is it called Astroturf Yes I one point I did have that word in the text then explained a little bit more when I when I took it out to make it a little bit more oblique. It s a metaphor which starts in American electoral politics in the seventy s with the idea of setting up fake grassroots campaigns with sort of paid organized people. Voicing their opinions on political views and then obviously in the last few decades that s been kind of massively accelerated by the Internet where all sorts of people can start astroturf campaigns to offer fake reviews of hotels tourist destinations or whatever so that it becomes for the metaphor in the 2nd half of the book where where the online steroids sales world is being sort of powered by these these fake identities offering reviews of these products but also wanted to have a kind of I think just quite a nice perfect word in a way I wanted to have a very very sad song. Apparently the Jeffrey museum is currently closed I was singing its praises or one of you actually was singing its praises although I would too I think is a great museum but the gardens are open for events and they doing tours of the alms houses says Glyn from what food so that s good to not I don t you try traipsing up there kind of you know and not being a get inside check on the Internet by simply but when it reopens I m sure you ll be splendid and I have to say I m really really looking forward to the new Museum of London along with Tycho. These things can drag on a bit but I could having been into the site where it s going to be spectacular. And the magnificent. I m sure it was so. Good. You don t. Know. It was. You know. I don t. Know. Your. Soul. Did I want. To tell. Going to. Go. To. Their. Car with. A. B.B.C. 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Votes so we can now load involve a hive new voter all amongst the votes are looking very slow and just looking at stationary traffic around 70 keys station on the cameras this is also got effect people heading at some Millwall heading to the day in way of their kickoff is it says 3 o clock so we can but will it cause delays for people heading to the match and looking at the sign said the scene it s in place that the moments could still be in place and what closures could still be in effect after the match as well the M 4 slow in both directions between junctions 6 at when 7 said the M 25 coming towards town this one lane closed off and it s a junction 5 at Langley because of the commission we ve also still got delays at the end of the elevated section of C.M. 4 of imbibed actions at getting in and out of town busy on the A 40 coming into town from Greenford through its words hang a lane and the North Circular down towards hanging south. Down with King busy northbound up to the Blackpool channels to looking very slow that s very busy at the moment with cues from Sun in the sun s up towards the tunnel and just look at Stratford looking very busy all around Stratford on the approaches to the the old one way system cause it s a 2 way system in place and I m struck now on the train says delays of 20 minutes or so for trains in and out of Waterloo often a signal failure the chief posting a good service but what sleep B.B.C. Radio London has more travelled but in an hour. Coming up after the news there is a choice of listening to 2 radio and T.V. Showing T.C.M. Radio in London streets called digital stuff to match commentary for $93.00 F.M. And online it s rubbish Alex. To write a small speech to. A point to. Be seen. 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You ve heard of a player piano How about a robot that plays the bagpipes from the Carnegie Library Music Hall in Pittsburgh I m Ira Flatow and this says Science Friday. Robotics and artificial intelligence are booming here in Pittsburgh if Syrian Alexa leave you cold feet virtual assistants who can build a rapport with you as a robot assistants can do more than give the whether or not every robot will look human or even talking like one me 2 people working to create robots we can understand and that understand us I will talk about robotic instruments that play themselves even to jazz improv and unveil a song composed by a computer what happens when Art needs intern E.-Ring and design after this. Live from n.p.r. News in Washington I m Lakshmi saying the u.s. Economy is still experiencing solid hiring in its latest monthly employment report the Labor Department says payrolls added $223000.00 jobs in the unemployment rate dipped to 3.8 percent in May economist says sectors across the board saw job gains this is a very solid report so we had good job gains we had a drop in the unemployment rate to its lowest level in 18 years in a solid gain in average wages so the job market is in excellent shape right now average hourly pay is up 2.7 percent from a year ago. Economists are still closely watching how markets react to threats of a trade war some of the u.s. Is major trading partners are protesting President Trump s decision to impose Steve tariffs on steel and aluminum imports as N.P.R. s Winsor Johnson explains these allies Mexico Canada and the European Union are threatening to retaliate in kind the e.u. Has released a 10 page list of tariffs on u.s. Goods ranging from Harley-Davidson motorcycles to Bourbon Canada and Mexico are also threatening retaliatory duties Mark Zandi chief economist with Moody s Analytics says it all amounts to a lot of uncertainty we re going down the rabbit hole here there is no way to know how to go out and the administration is of the mind seemingly a good deal you know I think when the audit time very transaction oriented and I m not I don t think that s the way it s going to work the Trump administration s tariffs 25 percent on steel and 10 percent on aluminum are now in full effect the president announced the tariffs in March but granted some exemptions while countries negotiated Windsor Johnston n.p.r. News today visa is not necessarily everywhere you want to be the credit card firm is having trouble processing some payments in parts of Europe in a statement Visa says it s investigating the service Russian and working as quickly as possible to resolve the problem. 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Missouri will have a new governor by the end of the day capping a politically controversial tenure for the Republican incumbent governor Eric Greitens steps down tonight his lieutenant governor Mike parson will take over to become Azureus 57th governor St Louis Public Radio s Wayne Pratt reports on what led to the abrupt transition in Missouri this way Greitens has been under fire for months he was facing 2 felony charges one related to an extramarital affair he was accused of taking a compromising photo of a woman without her permission and putting it in a position where it could be electronically transmitted the alleged photo has not been found and that invasion of privacy charge was dropped after the prosecutor was put on the witness list now a special prosecutor is looking into the case Wayne Pratt reporting sexual molestation survivors are applauding news this week of a $210000000.00 settlement over abuses that Roman Catholic clergy in the Archdiocese of St Paul and Minneapolis committed against children a federal bankruptcy judge has to sign off on the settlement Matt Sepic of Minnesota Public Radio reports it s one of the largest bankruptcy payouts of its kind in the us the archdiocese filed for bankruptcy in 2015 after the Minnesota legislature temporarily extended the statute of limitations for sex abuse suits the 210000000 will be split among 450 survivors including Jim Keenan who helped negotiate the deal after victims rejected an earlier offer and every plan that you re going to piss off Irishman and some other guys would say you know what we don t like their plan we re going to write another book it happened to them before they have to listen to for n.p.r. 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You know bit by bit artificial intelligence is working its way into our lives and it s not just self driving cars look at the ai assistants that live in our smartphones like Siri or the ones that we ve added to our homes like Alexa someday maybe soon maybe making phone calls to schedule your doctor s appointments or even helping your children in the classroom with social skills or creativity but for ai to be most helpful to us we have to trust trusted enough to share our personal secrets and that s where my 1st guest comes in she spent her career studying how we build trust with each other and then with virtual personalities and the key she says isn t necessarily building knowledge but rather asking questions making small talk and opening up to one another just think a cell is associate dean of the School of Computer Science and former director of the human computer interaction Institute at Carnegie Mellon University welcome just seem Thank you it s great to have you. Know I Know your work focuses on artificial intelligence that has a visual component like an animated face why not go straight to making physical robots with bodies on them well it s true my work is more like cartoons on a screen and that s because we can still do more realistic kinds of movements with a cartoon than we can with a robot we have a video that actually demonstrates one of your projects called Sara a socially aware robotic assistance that before we look at it tell us a bit about so Sarah socially aware robotic assistant is a personal assistant we were asked to create this for. The World Economic Forum meeting in Davos in 2017 and so more than 300 world leaders interacted with Sarah and Sarah help them meet other people at the same level of importance as they are and help them find sessions to attend that match their interests doing that required them to disclose information about themselves and in fact it turns out that self disclosure is one of the ways we build reporter with other people so she had to get them to self disclose and she did that by asking questions about them but also by self disclosing about herself like gee this is my 1st time here it s pretty odd inspire and I m kind of freaked out Are you freaked out at all. All right let s go to court let s go watch the video and take a look about how that happened. Hi I m sorry it s such a pleasure to meet you might I ask your name is there any risk. Nice of you to take the time to stop by so how are things going pretty. Great. Well let me introduce myself I ve been asked to play matchmaker by helping attendees find sessions to attend and people to meet based on their interests all you need to do is tell me a little bit about yourself and what you want to do while you re here so I mean that s just a car you re going to see computer science I mean it s in my research focuses on artificial intelligence and actually processing and I mean if you re just doing that were people a tech I think that s. Good Senator Sessions I ve never met someone like you before it s refreshing. Let s see if we can find some interesting people to meet just one minute while I looked this up there are details on the screen about Justin Cassel I feel you share some interests Yeah just so I heard you know. I can either send a message on your behalf suggesting a meeting or I can give you the information and you can set up the meeting yourself would you like me to send the message yes please do. Oh good you ll see a message from me in your toppling private message inbox introducing you to us awesome awesome you know what yeah that s a great very radio. You know it would seem to me from looking at the video it s she wasn t just talking she was doing a lot of things at the same time right it was not a real script that she was reading from you know she s actually adapting her behavior to the behavior of the person she s interacting with and what we saw was that she s automatically. Sensing what conversational strategy the people are using are they self disclosing are they praising her are they teasing her violating social norms in some way and then she adopts what she says in order to raise report and you could see reporter rising and what s interesting about Sarah is that it s the 1st project that considers both what s going on in the human and what s going on in the company agent in order to figure out whether reporters in place when we talk about having to gain trust from a computer that seems to be a key you keep mentioning over and over again report Yeah right you have to build a report so that s where the trust comes from trust does come from report a lot Yup And so why do we need a physical face on Sarah at all there is that there s that help build that trust or report it s a really good question I m really not for embodied agents just because they re cute or cool but because we use our bodies in ways that demonstrate how we feel about the other person where we are in the conversation and so we need bodies on agents like this because in our conversation and I m certainly an example I m trying not to knock this microphone off well liked. Lester we use our hands in our face and our torso to indicate who we are to the other person who the other person is to us so that body language body language is important so how how is Sarah a step up from say Alexa you know or Syria or any of those other where shall I begin so. Let me count the ways. So Sarah you 1st of all does have a body unlike alexy or Cortana or any one of the the current personal assistants that are out there made by these major corporations and she uses her bodies in the ways that I just described to build trust to build report to build confidence in what she says but she also unlike those agents is while she s talking she s automatically sensing your response so she s looking to see whether your smiling you re looking at her your eye gaze is towards her or away from her and she s using those cues as well as what you say to decide how you feel about her what s hard about making a can interact realistically of humans what s the hard part with our part. We are unpredictable as human thing yeah yeah. Long years of study before I understand. And Sarah has to be able to keep up she has to be able in real time to do what we call classify That s a machine learning term classify the conversational strategies you re using and so you saw her doing that she chooses one of 8 strategies that s really hard and you need a lot of data in order to get it right but the kinds of phenomena that I m interested in these things like being polite or violating social norms don t happen all that frequently in conversation so what you ve all heard of referred to as big data these kinds of phenomena the ones that are really important in interaction are small data and that makes it hard you know it s interesting you show us what was going on at the World Economic Forum a bunch of a lot of rich people there and Switzerland but let s bring it down to earth more what kind of practical solutions can you Sarah for we can relate to yeah so Sarah is a platform in fact a set of computational modules that work together that can be used for really any purpose you know as long as you put them together in the right way and add a kind of a functionality and so we have a system called wrapped the rope poor aligning peer tutor who looks like a teenager and who peer tutors teenagers in linear algebra and it builds report in order to help the student learn and we know in human human interaction and all of my work is based on looking at real humans in interaction with other humans we know that when kids feel report with another kid they learn more and a sec. One thing that we re building is called Skipper we re big into acronyms as you can tell and skipper stands for sensing curiosity in play and responding to goes a long time to come up with that one and skipper is for younger children 8 or 9 year olds now in the contemporary school system there s a lot of teaching to the test because today in America schools get funding as a function of how well the students do and teaching to the test is pretty much antithetical to curiosity to passionate curiosity like you and Einstein how do we. I m trying to get on your good side. Really it was a close enough and I think. So how do we get kids to remain curious about their world because really curiosity is the key to exploration which is the key to learning and so skipper doesn t build Reporter It builds a sense of curiosity in groups of children by watching what they do and capitalizing on those of their behaviors that are leading them towards being curious it s the 1st project where we ve worked with groups of kids so it s not just a twosome it s 3 to 4 kids and 1st time we ve worked with curiosity how do you know you re you know it s successful I don t know it s working that s the 1000000 dollar question we have to evaluate all of this now we re in the process of testing rocked the teen linear algebra tutor with so far I think we ve worked with 50 teenagers and what we re looking at is their learning gains that s the that s the only thing that really matters who learns more the kids are interacted with the version that builds reporter or the. Kids who interacted with the other version that doesn t build you know well I wish you great luck great success and good luck with your work thank you so much Justin because cell Dr to cell is associate dean of the School of Computer Science and former director of the human computer interaction Institute at Carnegie Mellon University here in Pittsburgh thank you for taking time to be. For the after the break we ll look at building robots that we can trust them empathize with and where art and psychology fit I m Ira Flatow and this is Science Friday from the studios. It s 1119 Good morning you re listening to Science Friday on member supported Aston public radio support for Aspen Public Radio comes from Aspen science center helping to develop the next generation of scientists engineers doctors and other critical professions a.s.e. Presents rocket camp for middle school students this July registration now open at Aspen Science Center dot org Thanks for listening. This is Science Friday I m Ira Flatow coming to you from the Carnegie Library Music Hall in Pittsburgh and my next guests are working on anything that looks like you and me this isn t Dolores from Westworld or even the Maria from Metropolis but perhaps you share an understandable concern that robots as I say are going to reply sauce that s one of the themes we see a lot in science fiction for example or or all those movies about robot uprisings we ve been watching over the years and even with completely been noble and self driving cars safety and trust are huge part of that conversation as we ve been talking about it so how do we build trust and how do we make the case for robots as partners for people doing the things they do best and then leaving us free to do what we do best that some of the heavy questions my next guests are talking about and I don t want Gannon is an artist a roboticist that Nvidia the chip company and a research fellow at Carnegie Mellon University she sometimes called the robot Whisperer welcome. Thanks Andy Ok. And any of mony is a psychologist an assistant professor in the Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon and director of the human and robot partners lab Welcome to you also I think I would think that coming back. And I understand you tell us about the robots that you are working so the work that I do looks at building a system of robots so when I say assisted robots I mean robots that help people and typically when we talk about assistance we mean helping people who have some sort of disability or so or some sort of inability So one example is a robot arm that attaches to a powered wheelchair this is a commercial product it s made by a company in Canada and this robot is designed to help people who have upper body motor impairment to do everyday tasks like picking up a glass of water and taking a drink now this robot is really challenging to use because it has to be tell operated I look at how do we add intelligence into the system use artificial intelligence to make these robots more assistant for us so they can predict the help we need and actually assist us toward that help and what s really fascinating because I ve watched your work of what you ve been doing is that the way you re getting the robots to respond as you control their arms by using I gaze in other words the robots are watching where your eyes are going right they can pick up women right and what s very important to note is that they re not I remote controls so there exist in the world of assisted robots controllers that just use your eyes right where you look at an object for 5 seconds and then the robot goes there and those are very useful if you have no motor control but that s not actually what we re trying to do what we want to do is capture the natural human behavior the ideas that people are producing all the time in order to predict better what they re trying to do humans produce all kinds of nonverbal behaviors when they re interacting with their world and one of the nonverbal behaviors they produce that s very very informative is I gaze where they re looking and we actually have a video let s play the video we can watch the robot in action right yes so here we have a video from a study we did recently where we asked people to control this robot arm to pick up marshmallows from a plate using the fork in the robot s hand and so our participants could draw the robot through a joystick and we were also my. Monitoring their I gaze through an eye tracker you can see the participants wearing a headset that kind of looks like a pair of eyeglasses that has a camera facing in at her eye and a camera facing out at the world and it s looking at what she is looking at in the world so we can go where she s looking Ok this is not an easy task this is actually a case. In this case the robots actually helping her do the task and it still takes quite a long time to pick up a single bite of food you can see videos and photos of my guests robotics work on our website at Science Friday dot com slash robotics there s the robot anticipate what you re trying to do it s in to supporting what you re trying to do through a joystick control it s not yet using her eye gaze this was for us to understand how I guess what the idea is dynamics look like in this kind of time so the robot have to understand human psychology thinking. In this it will eventually in this well tickler case it doesn t it will be more powerful when it understands human psychology and what I mean specifically about that is understands how people use their gaze when they re interacting so psychologist for example know that when people go to reach for an object are going to reach for this water bottle on the table I would move my eyes to it and look at it about half a 2nd before my hands even started moving and we can pick up on that with a system like this to actually make it predictive That s incredible no matter what you re an artist who reconfigures robots what how does that happen yes so the robots that I tend to work with are these big giant monstrous industrial robots so these are the machines the one ton machines that make your cars for example and what I try to do is to get those machines to do things that they re not intended to do not designed to do they re designed to do short repetitive tasks over and over 247 for their whole lives not as a very boring life for a robot so I try to find ways to sort of liberate them from their constrained environment and find ways for them to interface with people and for peace. Interface with them my dream is to take that machine that has superhuman speed and superhuman strength and to give me those super powers and that s the sort of software interfaces that I want to have finding ways for this machine to enhance augment and expand what we do not replace it for a little bit more contacts this was a invitation to bring an industrial robot to live at the Design Museum in London for 6 months so me mascots have a holiday off of her assembly line and got to live inside a museum and play with about quarter 1000000 people or the course of 6 months of the Design Museum it looks like the kids are treating it like a zoo animal you know falling to try to get its attention it s behind glass like it would be the zoo so how does it understand what you know the kids are doing what all these people coming up to do wanted to do right as it were learned how to react so that s a little bit of the design part of it the way that I approach this is. Is a is a big inanimate object it s a robot it should move robotically instead of having it move like a robot I try to make it move like an animal to see and respond to us in a lifelike way the intelligence behind this machine is is nothing that doesn t already exist so it s an off the shelf piece of hardware that already exists in factories the sensors that I used are $35.00 Microsoft Connex that you can buy off with each day and the only thing that is bringing this machine to life is a little bit of clever software to duct tape everything together and for me it s really important to show that the way that our automation systems are today are not set in stone that these are choices sometimes inadvertent sometimes deliberate choices that our systems of on a mission you just but that we can have a future that is a bit more preferential inclusive to people. That you were not here you know I love that yeah what are your life so much about it. I think it s fascinating that this big bulky inanimate object can have so much personality just by the way it moves you know and we add a lot to that I mean I m so happy to be sitting next to r 2 d 2 his age you know that s one of my favorite robots he has a companion robot in Star Wars I don t know if you guys like science fiction I m sure I m assuming you do. Both see Threepio as a humanoid robot and we were just chatting with 4 is like you know c 3 po you just leave them in the desert it s Ok Archer teaches you go back for you make sure he makes it and that the mission is complete with r 2 d 2 but you re both talking about giving the robots a personality definitely talking about personality and you re talking about when you create your robot you want them to have a personality also. To a certain extent to an extent yeah and I think it s fascinating that they do anyway we can t help as humans but attribute personality to our not a middle objects we do it all the time we we do it almost unconsciously and I think that robotics and human robot interaction really benefits when it drives that attribution of personality attribution of animus Ian a systematically So another way to think about personality is legibility that we re building some transparency for what this robot is intending to do because it s broadcasting it to us in one ways it makes it a more palatable experience with the robot right but on a very pragmatic level it s just being more transparent and legible and communicating what it s about to do to us the same way that other things that are in our environment like animals for example we sort of we can read their body language and know what they re about to do we re talking about personalities one thing one thing I noticed immediately that was missing from your animals what is what is you animals have that this robot doesn t have a face you could have put Bozo the Clown on the end of that thing or your some sort of mask or something but you chose not to do that why is that that was very deliberate so me a mess I did experiment some things putting mirrors or cameras on the robot at the end I just decided to leave her naked as she was a bird in this world and it s a it s incredible because you know for robotic arms they re only as useful as the thing that s on the end of them there and a factor so the Gripper or welding tool. And for many people who are in the world of industrial robotics they had never seen a robot that didn t have a tool on the end of it and so the idea of this thing being a sentience companion to us was to really sort of accept it for what it is to not adorn it s with anything and and it kind of does have a face you know has that spiritual thing with a whole pattern for the Bolts she doesn t see the world how we see it she sees it through the ceiling she is a. Bird s eye view of the world but people still thought that she was seeing us through the the bold pattern on her face when we still talk about the face because she said it was important to have a face on your robot you know yeah I actually don t think we need a face you don t need a frame you don t need a face to get a lot of personality from a robot so so this industrial robot that we see I think we could all agree on the where the face is I worked with robots that had a Kinect you know just a black box for on their head and that was so clearly the face to people I think we get a lot by not anthropomorphizing of knots so if you think about a lot of the intelligent robots that are starting to be the lamp to live in our world these are all non humanoid robots drones cars some wheeled box that are on our sidewalks and those are things like adding faces are expensive and they re just 3rd it s like a q. Morphic to what the actual machine is it s almost deceptive in a way so we can find ways of just expressing their intentionality with their posture their motion and even the sound of their motors the knots that s almost Those are the things that are native to that creature and it sounds like we re seeing something different than what just Gene was just up here saying that faces in and emotional expression is really important but actually we re seeing the same thing where it s 2 sides of the same coin you can get it with a face on a virtual agent and you can get it with movement on a robot and you don t necessarily have to give up the personality in that report let s go to see I told you the kids would be 1st on the market because I go ahead. By what time do you believe. These robots will be well incorporated to modern life. I mean is there a time for you shooting for any I think I think we re living that time now yeah it s a 24 so yeah. Yeah so being in Pittsburgh a hub of robotics in North America reason I come across so intelligent robots in our streets and in our public spaces in our skies and in our parks reminds come across a drone and these are all things that other people are putting into the world that affect our life in public and that s something that s that s really interesting to be here in a time where these sentient machines are starting to share our world with us and I just think they don t have faces or either get used to or designed to have a frank but what s the hardest part about teaching me. About the learning curve there a lot of the process with design is to make something quickly and iterate get it in front of people and incorporate the feedback into making it more attentive or more responsive to them so just getting willing participants to come in and I mean we got we were in a I was doing this in Boston in this beautiful. Warehouse space that Autodesk owns and they have a glass facade so we ve got lots of people putting their nose up to the glass like come and come play with my room I m Ira Flatow this is Science Friday from n.y.c. Studio talking about the robotics here in Pittsburgh with the robotics experts and the how long did it take you know to train your robot and get used to people. It takes a long time so I don t the robot that we use was a commercial product to program it took some ph d. Students a year and then to iterate on that design I think actually something that s really important to mention is that we put our robots in front of people we don t build robots in isolation when you build robots for humans it s incredibly important to actually have them work with people what about the fear people have about robots replace and I m not afraid I mean I also well positioned to not be afraid. I think that people are very good at some things and robots are very good at some things and robots are very bad at things people are very good at like object recognition right or being able to reach a particular object through the clutter but we don t yet have robots that can reliably and successfully reach to the back of the fridge to pick up that can you know jar of mayonnaise or something like that and we do that all the time as people and so I think we re developing robots that are very powerful that are very usable but not particularly scary because they have these limitations right amount on your robots have already replaced people on assembly lines things like that how do you feel about the future of the yard I think I think it s a really valid concern and something that I think we should discuss more openly as a society part of what I think is at the heart of the fear is a lack of agency the idea that this technology is happening to us and we re not able to affect change part of what I like about doing this work outside of a research lab and inside cultural institutions like museums is that it starts to to build a legibility for the affordance us as well as the limitations of these machines and you sort of see what they can do and what they can t do well and you sort of get permission to have an opinion about it so if I get one question in from the balcony before you go you know why him. Yeah that s a great question so for me a mass is made out of metal and I m made out of squishy flesh she s behind a glass box just to keep everyone safe in case there s a wrong piece of code that I wrote it s a glib answer to a really important question one of the reasons why robotics is such a hard field to b.m. Is that you can t be wrong when a robot is in a home or when a robot is helping someone live in normal life it s important that that they re safe and that they re usable and actually something you said before is very useful for that So robots that project their intentions that show us what they re about to do are very very important because it helps keep people safe or you know people like a zoo animal we re going to and backing off and being afraid of is going to get them part of what we did with me Mrs We gave her. A bit of attention span so she s an attention span she s an attention span so she goes around it she picks the most interesting person in the crowd because she only has one face so she can get her attention to one person at time so if you get boring she goes. As soon as you start moving she s like listen just like us you and I m just exactly exactly like us you know thank you this is fascinating thank we wish we had more time thank you both for joining us thank you very much pleasure. Thank you Obama thank you thank you thank you thank you for being boring but I have known he is a psychologist and this is the professor in the robotics today going to be Melanie and director of the human immobile lab thank you both think. You can see videos and photos of my guest robotics work on our website at Science Friday dot com slash robotics taking us to the break our musical guest for the night Pittsburgh very own townspeople. 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Yes we have talked a lot tonight about how robots can partner with us at work and how artificial intelligence can build trust in its human counterparts but what one if we unleash some of these machine learning smarts on the creative arts train computers to write their own music or teach instruments to play themselves with a few tricks from robotics my next guests are the music teachers of the robotic world musician engineers who are working to make our robotic future a little more melodic Roger Danberg is a professor of computer science art and music at Carnegie Mellon University welcome to Science Friday thank you. Eric Singer is a musician and a roboticist based here in Pittsburgh Welcome to you too thank you. Roger you ve also built instruments that play themselves we have we have a clip here of robotic bagpipe player you built called the mic but later yes let s listen to it. Yeah any. The song. That s great and wonderful thank you thank you. Very much. Player a computerized player piano except you ve done it with the bagpipes Yeah I m a player bagpipes What s the brains behind an instrument like that well there are a few different parts but mainly there s there s an air compressor and regulator that is needed to drive air into the bagpipes and then there s a set of robotic fingers and they re operated electromagnetically to pull little little pads down to the tone holes and they have to be very fast because bagpipers play very fast music with trills and so that was that was part of the challenge and then the the fingers themselves are controlled by a little micro computer that s receiving commands from a sort of a control computer that s playing a song that s in the computer right right number of it in there the songs are stored in the computer Wow and I should I want to credit Garth say Glyn and Ben Brown from the Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon who are co-creators of this McClair are clear. I tried the Scottish brogue but it didn t come out too well when I when I said Eric you ve also designed a whole robotic all robotic orchestras in the in a real nightclubs in Paris right the Lido a nightclub in Paris has an orchestra that s about 40 or 50 instruments there s about $250.00 mechanisms going there and we also had one that went on tour with a jazz guitarist Pat Metheny Let s see that clip and then we ll listen to what s going on in that one. The only thing that Pat was playing and that was the guitar right that s right they were all and he was improvising and they were able to follow all those computer some some of it he s following them and some of it they re following him I m just the gas to how that could happen how do how do the musical instruments know what how to follow him or what that we anticipate or how to refine their own sophisticated software that can do a number of things one they can listen the way we have computer vision that can look at things we have computer audition or hearing that can listen to the sounds musical sounds coming from one instrument and interpret them and then make up material based on that in whatever ways we as software composers want them to do that amazing and Roger I know there is a long history of people trying to automate things is there not I mean a humanist fascination with automation goes way back right right automation goes back a long hundreds thousands of years and I think that people have always been fascinated with it so that s one thing I like to point out is that people doing robotics today are not really doing something completely new or or completely challenging in turning the world upside down because when for example there were 3 brothers in the 9th century from Baghdad that published this incredible book it s called the The Book of ingenious devices and they had about $100.00 mechanical inventions including a robotic flute player that included digital storage. It was all done mechanically but it could actually I mean there are there are pictures in the book of how to store songs on a drum and reproduce those with a flute player it s interesting about the history of robotics and music I for years have been looking at the history of heavy Lamarr and of course you can talk about a limb are what a great mind for for mechanics an invention without bumping into George and yes he wrote a piece called Belly Mecca Nique intended to be performed on 16 player pianos and a human percussion orchestra unfortunately the company that told them they could make 16 pianos play in sync actually couldn t. Fast forward to now you have digital player pianos where you can use a standard interface called midi that all almost all musicians know how to use that will actually physically play them just the way a player piano would what is the advantage of having a machine play music I mean we go to concerts because we watch the people have energy they have life in them they have expression explained to me the fascination with just having a machine play the music it looks cool 1st. Everyone gets fascinated by it I mean that most fair I mean in almost everything that I ve done there have been human musicians collaborating with robotic musicians when we talk about software as Roger writes and some that I ve written that actually composer improvises music it s really us that creating the music but we re doing it through software. Like to say also musicians and composers are always pushing boundaries so and going back to history for example we have pianos because there are things you can play on a piano that you couldn t possibly sing so there s an incredible technology in the modern piano to enable a new kind of music. That led to all kinds of developments in harmony and style and so I think we use computers and robots and anything we can get our hands on technologically in music to explore new territory let s go up to the balcony for a question you ask Yeah you with your hand up so has there been any backlash from the classical musician slash composer community regarding the automation. Composition because if you can create artificial intelligence to compose more music then it s kind of like the same situation work and put them on and decomposes out of a job yeah I think 1st of all musicians tend to be very open to to exploring new things and new ideas and I work with a lot of classical musicians jazz musicians I m a musician myself and this you know new territory it s just like if you if you write music in a new style or ask the musician to use some some different playing techniques of asking a musician to play with a robot or play some computer generated music is just another kind of music expression so I don t see any problems there right equal time to this side of the balcony. How many. Errors you. Many many many more errors and trials than successes. One of the great things when you re developing software for computers to play music is that sometimes you make mistakes and something comes out that you never imagined and it could actually sound really good I ve spent hours trying to understand mistakes that I made and codified them so that I could reproduce them because they were so great and that s what I spent hours fixing the stakes but it s true that even you know youngsters understand that it takes trial and science is not about always you know being getting it right the 1st time right right failure is a big option in some very experimental Yeah and Regarding the idea of putting musicians or composers out of business I get asked that question a lot but I ve I ve never woken up for instance and found out that the robots of started their own band and composes now. Humans like humans use the piano the violin synthesizers which people were very afraid of to begin with all of this technology to advanced arts. Visual Artists use Photoshop they use generative right visual techniques why not use generative. Audio techniques there s a human always making decisions in the end like the computer composed a bad song I m not going to put it on my album let s talk about a machine learning and music with artificial intelligence can be creative Roger I understand you have a computer that can write its own music and lyrics and all kinds of stuff like that how does that work Yes Well I ve been working on a program to compose pop songs based based on some. Previous work that others have done and there s there s quite a community in the around the world now looking at questions like this the way my program works and we re going to hear some output in a while I hope it does things in layers so it begins thinking about the structure of a song and it knows a little about possible structures and it basically just picks one and then it and then it tries to fill in that structure with some rhythmic accents it doesn t know what it s going to put there but it sort of consistently follows the structure as as you wish we re going to listen to one right now yeah Ok let s listen here s a clip special song for Tonight Show clip of what the computer wrote that s play that now. Wow I guess. I gotta. Give it up. That I couldn t make it to the top 10 at that I give it I give it to elevators you know. How it could elevator music you know but. But but hang on because you want to see what it would sound like it s really human people a real human band play that computer composition and our band tonight counts people 6. They said they would be up to the challenge come on out bring them back out here . What happens if you take the computer synthesizer music and you combine it with the talents that people have maybe it will sound a little bit different the little more creative a little more fun so you guys that s you guys ready to give it a shot let s hear what the townspeople can do with that little tune I m Ira Flatow this is Science Friday from w. N.y.c. Studios. were asking to play this and what was your 1st reaction when you heard that other version of it. Well we were you know we were a little intimidated we thought we were safe songwriters from the revolution but I really liked. You know the lyrics especially there are no more absurd than your average pop songs. Well thank you all for you know bringing that song feel I found people Ok thank you for writing it works. I want to say that the lyrics was kind of a recent addition that was really by request of townspeople So I want to thank them for motivating some new research. Well I brings up I you know I m always interested in the business aspects of science and technology now. If a computer wrote that music who won t get the copyright. I do. So they sell the programmer and his home to the copyright and get the computer so you take it apart say I you know I ve never talked to a lawyer about this so it s a really interesting question and it gets much more interesting if you if you sell the program and then someone else uses the program to produce it and we have similar problems with with recordings with samples you take a sample and load it into a synthesizer and play it on your song who owns you know you know it s. To me Roger wrote the song he just use software to do it. Oh that s. All like that in. A fascinating thank you both gentlemen Rajat Annenberg professor of computer science art music at Carnegie Mellon and Eric Singer musician roboticist based right here in Pittsburgh thank you both thank you very much thank you for all the time you have more hopeful thank you 95 Ws a for hosting us and to W.A. s Ses Elizabeth basically Nick right Dorothy Frank John Sutton and Terry O Reilly and the University of Pittsburgh all of us research program and the Carnegie Science Center for the robotics and to Mike s the loan and everyone at the Carnegie Library Music Hall for making this wonderful evening possible and thanks to our Science Friday staff takes a lot of people behind the scenes to run this ship oh let s give one last round of applause to our amazing musical guest house people were going to play us out tonight for me you thank you for coming. 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Barrels and wine and beer and that s it s where we get the word bottle from the bottle would have worked in the buttery and would have dealt with the line and the beer and so I ask again why we re not in the. Right so we re going to we re going to make so we re making butter the way it would have been made Wayne hero that s a good question and the late 17th early 18th century. You can people be making the 1st 10000 years and you can make butter many different ways you can use anything from animal skins to poor boxes the main thing to do have cream and keep it moving and today we re keeping it moving with the rotary but do you want to just start I know when I would have time to go through the full process book just talk us through what you re doing to sort of started off just to give people a bit of an indication of how it would have been done way about when then well you have to imagine that I got up very early yesterday morning and went to milk the cows and laid the milk to settle and then after about 24 hours skimmed the cream off sign now have double cream in actual fact I just pop to the supermarket but we don t need to we don t need to talk about that. So I m just going to pour the cream into the churn. And that made a really satisfying noise as that landed in that instant and I know you going to do what Sorry I m just going to keep it moving some just whisking it s affectively whisking it the 1st thing that ll happen is we ll make whipped cream. But if anybody knows that that s whipped cream and hasn t really been paying attention if you do it too long you end up with butter so we keep we keep whipping we go through that cream process and we get to a point where it it starts to become of a bit granulated it starts to look a little bit like whole grain mustard it s the best way to describe it and it s starting to get thick now but it ll take a while to get to the point where it s actually butter I think I m just having a moment of realisation which which is blindingly obvious book everything that we ve got in the fridge or that s the we go to the supermarket and buy would have been made by the scullery maid and the kitchen staff in this building nothing more you just didn t pop down happy shop or did you and pick up a. Double Cream or if it was all made it all out to be prepared everything and everything took a long time so if you think you know it s more than 24 hours since the council milked you have to think ahead and particularly with butter sometimes it just didn t work the butter just wouldn t come and there were lots of superstitions grew up as to why that might be they didn t really know it could be that it was. Could be on a day like today. Coming. On what we re going to do we re going to. We re going to. Going to revisit. The arithmetics and. This morning here a whole. Was But for the 1st time in my. Life I just kind of fell a bit like Wong because I ve come back into the kitchen and she was going to try and kid me on the she s the one being churned in the butter all the time but Pam one of our musicians was having a go when I walk through the drive because it s back it s back back and she. Started doing it so it s our far we ve got churn in this part of this is Sheila by the way she s one of the. Go if you are a volunteer on some of the images that are nearly one in turn father be very very wrong if it no I am a volunteer and I know many days do you do it then and I do well theoretically I do one full day but it seems to be more than that somehow I don t know quite how bounce I think is because she will enjoy and get a real sense of fun out of even you know the mixture of volunteers all the places that we ve been to when we met them to lobby with people all this week everybody it was into history and it s the same with palm and the music oh David we had on with the buildings just the passion and the enthusiasm and the enjoyment from it it is ridiculously good fun. I was this porter looking it s looking very well let s open that up can you describe what you do in that case I m opening up the churn and what s happened is that the the fat which we call butter has separated out from the the watery stuff which we call buttermilk So we re now ready to go to the next stage where we tip it out the bottom melt the sieve and we can collect that and do things with that. We ll have the butter veggies to be worked just the next stage of the pot but in making process right we re going to leave a sieve in we could have some music before half past 11 from Alan in power but let s find out what Kahrizak to she s out and about as well fur s this morning yes Richard it s day 4 of our mid-morning March through history you may well be talking to jurors this morning but only chatting Victorians Today I am not one of the hits and in Halifax this is bank field. Museum on Ackroyd park in Booth 10 Rose Wow is just stunning echoing it because I mean this beautiful entrance hall that every square inch of it basically is either marble or painted I ve got vaulted ceilings above my head vivid color and pain everywhere of the chandelier is let s just walk up into the entrance hall here which is parquet flooring everywhere that s just been restored and it s amazing above us the ceiling it just just stunning and with me is Angela Clare the collections exhibitions officer here Hello Hi there welcome to Frankfurt museum like you so much a little hidden gem I was just say Yes exactly yes so we just like to let people know that we re here and it s free and open to Sister Saturdays 10 to 4 Do come and see us we ve had lots of renovations work done recently on all the floors but we re back open as normal now so everything s available to see like the word free so that again free Well absolutely free everything is free to come and visitors you ve got a special exhibition going on at the moment as well as horrible Halifax which we talked about little earlier which is all about the smells the Gore is the the smoke and the lifestyle of everyone back in those days of the of that high industry in Halifax if we had up stairs here you ve got an exhibition that s been running for the past 4 years is that yes opened in August 24th and it s to commemorate the 1st World War in cold today oh so it s looking at this region in particular after telling the story of the 1st World War What happened there with a real focus on this area and this community and the impact that the war had not only on those who served but also those at home as well so those who were supporting the war effort those who opposed the war a lot of fund raising and the impact that it had with so many people being wounded and injured and killed as well Eva sees talking about people being killed just at the top of the stairs he s got this lovely glass cabinet and what are these it s a huge medallions what this yet these are often those death pennies. Plaques death pennies and these were given to the for. Of those who were killed during the 1st World War So they were awarded the medals that that person a day and for their service but these death pennies were sent out some of them you can see it quite highly polished some of them further down the corridor or were framed hung with medals and displayed by families but a lot of them that we have in the collection were actually just in their original envelopes and who knew they were so big they re By the by I mean I never large I m a hobbit so my hand the tiny but still the but my hand with hands yeah they re kind of you know you get there s novelty chocolate penny 1st so we shouldn t be laughing because it is yeah but that s the kind of size of them say they re quite well they re quite an ugly thing they re designed very nice if they ve got nice illustration on them and they have the name of the person s deceased but if you imagine as a family member receiving this this is a very small token that you would receive you d also get a small certificate about a 5 sizes thank you from the king and the country for your service in that your loss as a family but these pennies were sent out again millions of people lost their lives to millions of these were made and sent out so the quite readily available and a lot of them The handed down through families and these ones of ones have been donated to the museum service during the last 100 years that we ve been here and you really are trying to keep it local with your exhibitions here and you because you ve got some wonderful stories if we walk along this corridor local people whose lives were really touched and torn apart and some really positive stories regarding the 1st World War Oh definitely Again we are commemorating those who are injured and lost their lives but of the 100 years on there s nobody with this left from this period so we are commemorating everybody who is involved in all kinds of way and were impacted on by the war our focus really is the local stories it s about cold people in this region so the 1st thing we did when we got the funding from h left for this exhibition was to call out for local stories and I was project officer on this when I 1st started here a few years ago and I met with most of these families who told us the stories that they had the research some families had big suitcases full of information some families they didn t even have a photograph. But they wanted to commemorate this person that they knew had been in their family the stories vary greatly where home to the Duke of Wellington s regimental museum as well here at bank field so a lot of people did serve with Jukes but a lot of people from this area ended up throughout the world serving in all kinds of campaigns so they re all represented here and we managed to talk about pretty much every aspect of the war through a local story and you got so much for all members of the family as well you got lots of things for kids to get hands on at a cost snail things they ve got arts and crafts Oh definitely we try and keep it really varied we ve got something for everybody we re very family orientated exhibition with whole holiday facts and then we ve got all kinds of histories we ve got in our the galleries we ve got the equaling since regimental museum we ve got a gallery all about Ackroyd in here in both town in the history of this area and the new gallery is all about different pockets of history and different things that we can represent with our collections we ve got about 60000 objects in our collection so pretty much anything you can think of we might have an example of and particularly cost human textiles is what we re quite known for and with all of our exhibitions we try and have that custom in textile focus and at the moment another exhibition we ve got is called perspectives on pattern and that s looking our pattern book collection again a really nice local archive of all these patterns and just some really good designs and that s working with a local group called the textile art group you ve been coming here for 20 years they hit a day in one of our workshops reams and they ve created work inspired by our collections and that s on display so you hear a bang Field Museum you re just one of more than 250 right across the u.k. That taking part in a b.b.c. Civilisation theory is that this is part of today how proud says that me Oh it s fantastic to be part of something like this and to be highlighted as well when you mention the start with a bit of a hidden gem so we want people to know about us and come and visit it s free to park it s free to come in and we just want to share these local stories and also worldwide stories the war affected so many people and here you can find out a great deal about it as well as local stories as well and it s very I mean it s free we can say it s enough it s free to visit come and see us here a bank Food Museum in town Halifax open Tuesday to Saturday 10 to 4. Lovely stuff Thank you Kara Welcome back to the kitchen at least Riddle s don t hold with Sheila and she s brandishing implements what if you don t share will be American but if anybody we ve been going through the process of making butter in the kitchen here at least riddles and all and I think we re the business and we are I m brandishing a pair of better hands wooden butter hands which I m going to use to work the process so basically we re just squashing and squeezing the butter to get the last of the bottom milk out and if you can see what s happening on the plate here that white liquid that s coming out the bottom up. I ve already I ve saved to the smell that came out from the original churning. Here in the jug and it s available to be tasted if you fancy doing. So I m just squashing in squishing it to make sure that we ve got all the bottom out it s the buttermilk that goes off so you get better butter the more buttermilk you get out that s all give it a final rinse in fresh water cold water and then we can eat late with us the best bet is that Sheila thank you ever so much for your and Devil s throughout the morning this morning Janet still here Janet is like Sheila one of the volunteers here and one of the guides I ve got to ask of this nurse is you kind of stood around well the best way I can put it is a pair of horns Gena what we got here this is the Holmes of the famous adèle have which was bred here in the 1800s the cable that is being worked on today the kitchen table here is actually 11 foot $10.00 and $2.00 thirds of an inch. Thick working I don t we re working. And it the cow was exactly that length it weighed as much as a mini. It was 5 foot 7 from the ground to shoulder or is taller. And this round the grain arc which is standing behind Crikey and 828 won the prize for the largest heifer in England I bet it did I bet it did Crikey does some all have to thank you very much indeed John appreciate that also still weathers Alan power from the Leeds Waitstill of the Leeds whites and Alan if anybody wants to we re so catchy performing live over the next month or 2 is the only way you can fly go 1st we re doing a couple of performances over a. Store. On April 7th we re doing so may 7th we re doing maybe hold on sing and on May 13th in the hall will be doing some Elizabeth and dancing very good is the sausage pursuit again right Ok and just remind me of your instrument this is a Braveheart. Valter which is reputedly Queen Elizabeth the 1st favorite wife is good enough for is good enough for May with. Very good here we go. 8. 8 Very good very very good at a bigger audience in the room that we do on the radio do appreciate very much indeed Alan impoundment 2 of the Leeds whites the boats the milk is read to does one down in one with the with the shale or all. The the travel. Very nice very nice very very good very good in date everybody travelling news. But accident that we had a little bit earlier on the some repairs continue and it was fully stopped the traffic for good after the about 10 o clock we do now know all the traffic has been released and just one of the lanes is. Congestion to 38. To improve now with 2 of the lanes now running past to say I ll keep an eye on the census for you at. The city center of late. Because of the taking place there. Because of the water and if you can update me on that or anything else state number 18. B.b.c. Radio. 3 Good morning I m Sarah Wakefield is investigating the. 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Or little. It s the cool was on b.b.c. Radio late morning they seize Richard h. The riddles then haul on the 4th of penalty a day of March through history a pop quiz question we would normally do now however its history questions this week with has been well covering all things historical and is quite a good one is this we think with the between his team effort here you heard the Leeds Whitesell 2 of the melanin pound perform Greensleeves can you tell me which monarch is common labor in correctly credited with writing that song which monic is often incorrectly credited with composing Greensleeves 03453032. Text a one treble 3 star the message with the word lades and you need to make a note of those numbers as well because she ll need them after midday on the big Your she phone in with Andrew good morning Molly Richard I lie that the wrong right answer that s very clever and we have actually going to it s almost as if we ve planned this we re going to carry on with the historical fame on the big your phone in from midday 1st question today Does having a museum where you are matter and we re talking about this all this discussion about civilizations and history this week on this very day down at Westminster campaign is a warning that the heritage of our small towns will be under threat if their museums are shut down some have been shut down already and M.P. s are going to debate their importance at Westminster this afternoon my question for you does having a museum where you are matter and if it comes to those tough choices between spending on health or schools or filling the holes in the road versus the. Where are the priorities does having a museum where you are matter and before 1 o clock would you tell the truth if your doctor asked you about drink and drugs the doctor will be inviting me into her surgery I will ask her whether she has a figure in her mind if she says and it s people of my age group over fifty s who apparently a quite liberal about their drinking and drug taking habits if she said to me how much do you drink Mr Roberts would she have a number in her mind by which she ought to multiply the right answer would she take me at my word Tell me would you tell the truth are you going to tell me the truth when you cause a question Would you tell the truth if your doctor asked you about drink and drugs that before one but 1st as having a museum where you are matter same number for Richard historical quiz today it s all 134-5303 double 3 double 3 big your phone in from the. Very good. Very good. All right. If you want to get involved with can you tell me which more often incorrectly one of the. Facts that s actually wrong in correctly composing green slaves and while you. Will play you this. Page David Bowie on b.b.c. Radio Leeds Good morning they see Richard money to Nick who is semi it s wait it s a Prescott scene actually and it s a quick story says Nicads hit 136 seconds go back to winning ways Eldrick and Gill stead with a $52.00 rooms excess in the craven League Division 5 top flight sports. 100 all out before the hosts were dismissed for a 148 so Nick had hit 136 supposedly this area s most famous anybody had in a cad. And it. Ok thank you. Karen in Ponce Marion poncy mocking Dave David. John the decorates a you ve got it right well done see you only the calling 034-5303 double 3 double 3 texting 81 treble 3 starts in that message with the word lades Chelles has as well answering this question which monic is often falsely credited with composing Greensleeves we heard it performed in the last 20 minutes but which monic did to people yes it was written by an actually wasn t both 345-3033 secs day one trouble 3 style the message with the word leads and the answer is on the way after this for Matthew Wilder it s break my stride. That s. We. Are going to. Lose. Lose. Lose. Lose lose. Lose. Lose. Lose. Lose. Lose. Lose. Lose. Lose. Lose. Lose. Gary. Kevin also the former blacksmith. Got it right a patron crossroads knows as well mocking Halifax it s not Elizabeth the 1st on the m l from it s not his royal highness Nick at Nite. Suppose we got off 11 a a nice Hodes without mentioning him and then that it all started now snowball a snowball in the answers Henry the 8th who it wasn t it wasn t Henry the a bad really always tells you a great no he didn t know he didn t but Henry the 8th is the answer we were looking for this morning time is very nearly Bateson a scholar Thank you ever so much for having his down there if anybody has been inspired to visit he struggles to know firstly when do you open so they can and where can people find out more information fantastical at the moment we re up on weekends as such days and Sundays 1030 until 4 30 am from the 17th of March with an open days. For more information about riddles and Hall about what we have hair we have a website which is w w w dot National Trust dot org u.k. Forward slash riddles and hall there s information on there about all the events and activities coming up as well as information if anyone feels volunteer with lovely stuff thank you ever so much indeed by the way if you ve ever wondered if there s a West Riddle s at all there is but it s a private house isn t it we go the case everybody s thinking why is there any stray dogs than all and yes there is a private house so there we go thank you ever so much for having those this morning really appreciate everybody looking after a server even if you know this Himalayan Balsam bashing on every Saturday in June I don t know what it is Bob intrigued by that anyhow join us tomorrow as we visit Harewood House. B.b.c. Radio Leeds. Hello and good morning and welcome to the kitchen room here aged Riddle s didn t hall just at the side of Keithley It s day 4 of our mid-morning March through history and today we re taking a look at the chewed through to the Chass with the right Charlie. The some very interesting looking dessert. And I was told that that does is called Spanish cops and it was so called because the ladies of Spain they were very fond of chess Smallwood Rice pointed with a little cherry on the end just to be clear and so did the Pops give the name to the desserts or did the give the name to the paps gave the name to the it is right ladies bring up the appropriate and I think you found my level that. Film there not been shot was one of my personal. Frightening moments when. He burst through or do we some of us were invited to be stewards. They didn t break anything and chop. Away no head actually smashed his way through a door and nobody told me that it wasn t an artificial. I was in full of trepidation how I m having to explain to the National Trust how one of the doors got broken. Little bit in or. Cause the ways we need to lift. As it were the bomber which fits a bomber alone rolling it s just underneath the bus like the ash and give the effect of actually meeting by boat so if you say you want a bigger bottom. Higher up because. The men in the higher in your body so it s not the natural way the. Bottom is a good. 3 in the kitchen a hole with 2 of the leads weights with musical instruments from way back when. You go very slow the wind instruments say well what s this racket. Right we re going to have the sausage pursue. So they go put what it boiled. Bird in the Campbell. And Spanish pups What more do you want for your Wednesday morning on our March through history on b.b.c. Radio Leeds. And Cut. Cut. Excellent thank you Richard enjoyed that. Through history comes in use the chewed through salute Chass with Richard from 9 to Mark. Significant. Completely held for a good. 15 minutes traffic has been temporarily held again. Because of a. Matter .
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Emerson Manning Jaguar is due to be sworn in today as the new president of Zimbabwe thousands of people are expected to gather at a sports stadium in Harare to see the inauguration of the 75 year old former security minister the former president Robert Mugabe is not expected to attend the ceremony it s Black Friday the traditional shopping day where most retailers offer big discounts on many of their products this year it s predicted most shopping will be done online and it may be the 1st year that purchasing on mobile devices overtakes laptop shopping but Gary foul from Money Saving Expert dot com says Black Friday doesn t always live up to the hype it depends what kind of shock you are now if you re a savvy shopper somebody spot something there with a discount that you ve had your eye on for a little while when it comes down in price then this could really work for you and your client Christmas shopping the flipside of that is if you re somebody that s taken in by these signs 70 percent off here 80 percent off their site that you normally wouldn t do they don t function it s a bad thing for you England s cricketers will hope to get more Australian wickets before the end of day 2 in the opening of his Test in Brisbane. 964 for England are in a strong position despite being quickly bowled out for 302 before lunch they collapsed having been 246 for 4 and that s the latest I m John Adelaide. 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So some more clues to help you on your way then it was the year that I hadn t crossed cheap station was open is complete in the 1st phase of the extension of the London Underground Piccadilly line to Heathrow Airport I can t imagine that not existing now like a never ending journey always wonder what you know tourists coming into Heathrow getting that blowing must think you just underground for like an hour and you woods and it was also the year that former racing driver Graham Hill died in an air crash in Hartford sure at the age of $46.00 that would have been huge news at the time and by a vote Manuel burst appeared on telly because Fawlty Towers was broadcast on b.b.c. T.v. 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How do you tell the time by your wrist watch or perhaps a pocket watch or by looking at your phone or maybe your realigned state or nearby church bells or a regular train with the passage of the sun I m Bridget Kendall and today we re going to explore the history of how we tell the time. Many of us probably take time keeping for granted in the modern world were many ways to keep track of the 2nd. I m not sure tools to measure the passage of time around us from water dripping into it fills the bow to the time it takes our planet to revolve on its axis but when did human time keeping the start. And how did it move from the early approximations of sundials. To the precision of modern atomic clocks and today s almost unbelievably accurate optical clocks and how would our daily lives have changed if suddenly timepieces ground to a halt. Joining me to share the knowledge with us here in the studio Dr Louise devoid the curator of the Royal Observatory Greenwich in the u.k. Home of the Greenwich Meridian and Greenwich Mean Time from Oxford stuck to Ackerman director of Oxford University is Museum of the history of science and from Switzerland Gregory Guardian atty a watch and clock expert from Geneva internationally renowned for that. Welcome to you all let s start at the beginning Zilker What s the earliest evidence to suggest when the 1st ancient timekeeping devices came into use. Well they re mostly health to do with observing the sky so we find evidence for timekeeping with the Babylonians as many 1000 years ago and they are the ones who ultimately we were still rely on with our 360 degrees and 60 Minutes so their influence is with us today. What about after that because people talk about sundials being very important early on don t they well they were creating a sundial is the most obvious thing and people do it in the playground you stand in the playground the sun is out and you cast a shadow and if you are around you there where you stand in the playground take some chalk and make some marks on the ground you can see where the shadow falls and you can create your own some go it s very very simple and we find that in each of the 6 for example we re often used for timekeeping these are very tall type of monuments on their very told they look a bit like a needle in stone a big fat needle in stone they stand out so if we go back in history what we think is the earliest time date when we could say people were timekeeping judging by this evidence and well definitely the Babylonians and Egyptians so it goes back quite a long time before the birth of Christ I mean it was a time duration and not a precise one No because these things often develop in parallel we often get the evidence much later than when it was actually 1st started when somebody came up with the idea but we might be talking more 3004000 were you definitely deaf it was probably more. Couple of 1000 years b.c. Or 1000 years b.c. And always what happened then after these are really some dials and opulence things that cost a shutter was certainly and other cultures developed other techniques so for example in each they developed and water clocks sundials wraps fine if you re outside in a sunny climates but trying to keep track of time and nights when it s dark difficult so you might have a sundial outside a temple and then perhaps a a water clock a sort of basin with marks denoting how the water level changes over the nighttime hours what we know about why human societies began to want to measure time in this way. I think it s for a number of reasons really it could be perhaps or government ideas about taxes or making sure the crops are brought in at the same. In time there may be a religious or so ritual element as well a keeping track of certain times of the year certain events of significance like the parents of the Bright Star serious above that the dawn sky so coinciding with the start of the flooding of the River Nile so people are always looking for patterns as indicators of change in events so we ve had some balls some water clocks other other ways of telling the time these ancient ways yes and there s a certain sort of stick like to vice from the Egyptian pair is quite American and sometimes used for telling the time by the stars and so yes many ingenious ways beyond Europe in the Middle East the Chinese were also measuring time went by Yes we certainly have examples of incense clocks so here you are measuring the time interval that it takes for an incense to stick to to to burn a certain length. And perhaps you might have an incense stick holder in the shape of a dragon and as the stick bends along it so it bends through threads holding a series of metal balls that fall into a basin so you get an order pulled time signal as well and off interesting is of course the timekeeping is not necessarily an object which we can pinpoint we know that people tell the time by observing the rising of the stars Luis it said but also by the rising of certain patterns of stars or the moon rising at a certain time but that s not not necessarily in the context of an object so it s this I m tangible heritage the knowledge which is passed on from one generation to the other now some of these early timekeeping devices probably will probably wouldn t think of them as clocks but clock is interesting that comes from the word of the bell doesn t it Gregory you re speaking to us from Geneva French speaking Switzerland where the word for a bell is close you can immediately tell it s the same word Yeah because the 1st clocks was not showing the time it was ringing so the 1st clocks are 3 and was 13 since we don t have a day. 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And we know that early religious orders certainly used the bells tolled of chime but so happens to this day exactly Yes Now look at this there s a very interesting instrument cooed an astral a can you tell us about that that was a well and asked So why is basically a project off the 3 dimensional sky around us onto 2 dimensions that sounds rather complicated but actually it s exactly the same as the projection of the earth into 2 dimensions we call that a map so it s a star map and it s an instrument which was invented before the birth of Christ and enables you to tell the time during the day and night and it tells the time in different systems and that s really fascinating because the time we use today where we think it s 5 past 2 or 20 minutes to 8 are what we call equal hours so every hour is the same length but that s not what s relevant for people in many societies for example if one wants to pray in the Muslim world those hours are based on seasonal hours that means how long is a shadow for example and in Australasia can tell that an oscillator can give you that time a clock can t a clock is not able to do that so when did they pick you said that they were invented before the birth of Christ and they became quite popular during mediæval times so they had a long history oscillates have a very long history they were used in classical Greece but their high time is really in the Islamic world Muslim scholars after the event of Islam translated the manuscripts the Greek manuscripts into Arabic and develop the instruments further and the beauty off the instrument ease. That it can give you prayer times that it can tilt times in different ways give you time doing day and night and time is so important for a Muslim because every Muslim needs to pray 5 times a day so time plays a really important role in our still lead can do that and there were popular until the 17th century in Europe when they were introduced into Europe from the 10th century onwards and in the Islamic world in the 18th or 19th century it s fascinating that you talk about this idea of relative time that could be not rules same length but could be different depending on what you want to use them for because Louise I was going to say that if you look at the. Journey of timekeeping from the beginning in food it seems as though it s a quest for ever greater accuracy a mass implies that you do you begin to want to have standardized time that you can measure it s expected to be the same length for a measurement like amount each time you measure Emma Yes Yes And I think different groups of people have adapted and modify time for their own needs so if you re working out in the field to an agricultural society you just need to know how many hours of daylight you have and that s perfectly adequate for the Sunda that s effectively showing you how much the sun has progressed over the sky over the course of a day but once you start to get to a more industrialized society where people are working factories perhaps working specific hours and ing a certain amount of money depending on how long they work or if people are travelling and they want to coordinate across perhaps a the railways or beyond then having some sort of common timeframe to everyone can refer to it becomes crucial but stunted isolation is will come under that in the industrial revolution in the 19th century but before that between the very early clocks and the Industrial Revolution there was this process of greater mechanization of crocks was meant to make the more precise and more reliable Can you give us some examples. Mechanical clocks and that would set me that the major milestone there really is the invention of the pendulum and so in a $1650.00 s with Christine how gains and this attempt to try and create more accurate time keepers but it took it took a while for that to become a standard piece of technology that people could have in their homes greater I just wanted to bring you in here your interest is in portable timepieces what we now call watches and that s about miniaturize ation. Things that you can make small enough that you can move around so when did these smaller portable clocks appear and why because the clocks before a watch is part of our watches we are part of a clock so we are one stop between them clocks or thought were clocks and watches it s portable clocks and it was. Pretty probably risky to put it inside clocks spring instead of weights so the clocks became smaller lighter and you can put it inside your house and Brunelleschi This was when and where it was in Europe so when the risk is Italian It is the 1st spring inside a clock but it was in Europe not in one city in particular are not in one country in particular after we have the 1st pocket watches so it s one step more closer to me or to resist them and when do they appear a pocket watch is the 1st notion of a pocket watch is in 1488 for a little because for outside in Milan in Eataly. It s rotten in the later it was a family of little because for some it s a 1st notion of pocket watch is not so good when your thoughts about this evolution of the technology to something can be more precise and also handy or do you think that affected the way people thought about time. I think it s the question why people want time is a very broad one and who needs time for what and who makes a decision which time system we are using So if when you bring in trains for example and you need to coordinate timetables you need very precise time but if you travel in a coach and you arrive in a different place your portable clock would have the right time because it s not a standard time it s the local solar time so every place when you go along from east to west or west to east has a different time so you would get out your clock of your might might ask a local What s the time here or you would go to the church and see what the what the time is used there but you would be fairly relaxed about it so it s to some extent the need for pre-science time which could be religious or for certain festival the need for change in calendar comes for example for from the need to have a precise date for Easter which is of course one of the most important festivals in Christianity but then industrialization really is a driver. This is interesting this idea of time being relative that if you re in one part of the country or another and you get hostile carriage and take out your pocket watch and you look at the church clock and it says something different you re not bothered by that that s fascinating isn t it because we would find that really quite disconcerting when Also the system we use as a matter of fact most of us use is a matter of fact that our of the day starts at midnight it s a very auto idea really how do you measure midnight it s a convenience which we used to but it s not something easy to measure so to start the day at midday so there s a time ball for example which indicates midday midday is easy to observe but they also time systems where you start the day at sunset injured Jewish and Muslim calendar for example that s when a day starts not in the middle of the night or in the middle of the day so all of those are conveniences and in there were nacelles the 15th 16th century we have many many devices timekeeping devices which are able to show all these different systems so you may travel from one place to the other and where you come from they d start the day at sunrise and when then you travel to a place where there start the day at sunset and you may have a very useful little device by you with you which is called it depict Oh that s it Sunday which has 2 parts which you can fill it and then it looks like a smartphone really it s basically with lots of apps a sundial with lots of apps if you like and it can d tell you all the different times system which people would have used so extremely extremely sophisticated we have forgotten all of that I suppose this idea of being disconcerting because you travel to a place and they have a different time there is a way you get that in the modern world isn t there it s when you cross the International Dateline and suddenly you find you re in yesterday so we do experience that too although not so many people do fly across the Pacific the reason I wanted to bring you back in here to talk about the role of service she granted because it s played a very vital role in the development of stuff. Advised concepts of all sorts of things and it was very important wasn t it in the development of aspects of the longer true story certainly was certainly in in navigation it became a really big enterprise and if you re thinking about trying to determine your your last you know longer treats you can determine what achieved from the sun or from the height of the post star but longer cheats you really need an accurate timekeeper to give you a measure of how far the earth has rotated so just to remind us latitude is when you go round the earth like a belt like the clay stylee Exactly so the equator is 0 degrees latitude and you re measurements of latitude is effectively how far north or south you are off that equator and then your longer today is your east west position and the difficulty there is that there s no natural equivalent for in 0 line there s no equator for the long which is so it becomes much more difficult to tell someone where you are and the observatory was involved in the act of long You Tube was into it in $714.00 which was reward offered for anyone who could come up with a practical and useful means of determining long it you didn t see yes so the observatory had ordered being established in 1675 as a means of creating these accurate data tables but the 1st Astronomer Royal John Flamsteed who was responsible for doing all that work still hadn t really published any has worked by 1714 and it was still a challenge so the government decided to set up this report of 20000 pounds probably equivalent to several 1000000 today to anyone who could come up with a way of tell me along with you that see and so as you can imagine lots of weird and wonderful ideas came along the way but eventually it boiled down to using either timekeeper methods or astronomical methods I mean was a man called John Harrison wasn t it who in the end came up with the timekeeper which became an essential part of magnitude no not again Sion Yes So the idea is that if you imagine the earth rotates on its axis. Once every 24 hours so that s $360.00 degrees divide about $24.00 gives you 15 degrees of longer cheat per hour so if you re out at sea you want to know your local time and compare it to your time back home so you need to take your home time with you as an accurate timekeeper now it s very accurate clocks at this time were pendulum based which as you can imagine is impossible to say even the ships weighing around all over the place the pendulum doesn t keep a nice regular steady beat so Harrison came up with some really ingenious designs and he worked on a number of different timekeeper designs and he was able to draw upon his experience as a carpenter to select certain words such as tropical hardwoods that would secrete natural oils to help keep the movement running a long period to see he invented ways of keeping the clock accurate despite temperature variations and he was able to combine all these ideas into the final timekeeper that effectively won him the reward fund and this is what we now call a triple m he won this when I m in the 770 s. Now as the industrial revolution which came a little bit after that its heyday was in the mountain century which really changed a lot of things and so here you were already indicating that one of the key drivers was a really significant moment was the roll way can you explain why that was so important well it s alright when you travel by coach from one place to the other and then get out and set your set your clock or you know you wait for the coach to come along but if you want to synchronize train timetables railway timetables there has to be a standard because it doesn t help if it s quarter past 6 in one place when in the other place at 6 o clock you can standardize and that is one of the main drivers to standardize to the time we use nowadays which is to some extent independent of what s happening in the sky and Louise the synchronizing of timetables granted also played an important part but didn t it with the shepherd. Yes So the the Astronomer Royal George Little Aerie went to the Great Exhibition in 1051 and he saw this clock that issues a series of electric impulses so you have effectively a master clock that sends out these signals to a network of slave dials so that all the slave dolls run in sync with the master it s a really great way of coordinating time so and every purchase one of these clocks installed at the observatory and also managed to persuade the local company to install the Telegraph network between observatory and Lewisham station just a few miles away and in this way the observatory was able to distribute time so that the shepherd master clock would send these impulses down the line down to Lewisham and then it beats tributed across Britain and beyond across that the network so just as one clock was effectively controlling British time so that was synchronizing time along the roadways but Greenwich was also important for synchronizing the idea of time cross the world wasn t it with the Greenwich mean that we talk about Greenwich Mean Time now in the Greenwich Meridian can explain a little bit respond exactly the what the credits mean time and Grange bridge and actually go back to the 1st Astronomer Royal John from states if you watch the sun across the meridian your north south line every day and compare it to what should we notice that it doesn t cross that line at exactly the same moment every day sometimes it s a few minutes before a few minutes after and it is impossible if you re trying to do cataloging the stars so that s why astronomers created this mean or average time to create a nice steady regular length day that they could use all the time that s quite useful and certainly by the 19th century people started to travel a lot more we had about the railways and so on and it became much more difficult if different countries easing different systems so for example if you bought a map in Brazil then you as it were to graze along with you to. Go through Rio observatory and similarly if you bought one in France it would go through Paris observatory so there were more and more calls to try and coordinate this of the whole idea of time and location and mapping and that happened eventually in 8094th that there had been some discussions before that but there was a conference held in Washington d.c. In October that year and there were about 40 or so delegates from various countries globally to try and resolve this issue and eventually it was decided to adopt the line defined by the way we transit circle at Greenwich at the observatory as 0 degrees longer tute or the prime rate in if you like simply because it was already been in use for centuries partly thanks to never masculine and Nautical Almanac the data tables that have been set up by the 5th Astronomer Royal in 767 so that legacy came all the way through right to the 19th century and it was a simply a case of choosing the meridian that most people are using anyway because they were buying persist charts and maps and so you can mount a day go to Greenwich and stand on the line absolutely League One side or other of the of the great state line yes you can have one foot in the Western Hemisphere and one in the eastern hemisphere and that s a great experience Well thank you I mean part 2 we ll find out more about development of technology and how it changed the world forever but it s all coming up but 1st a b.b.c. 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Still to come on the forum timekeeping in the 20th and 21st centuries the rise fall and rise again of the classic wristwatch the arrival of atomic clocks and not even more precise optical clocks the story of Greenwich Mean Time pips that you probably heard on the b.b.c. Still with me to help us on our walk through time Louise devoid Ackerman a Gregory Guardian atty So stay with us we ll all be back after the news summary. B.b.c. News president Donald Trump s lawyer has confirmed receiving requests for information from 2 congressional panels investigating alleged Russian political meddling in the u.s. Elections but Michael Cohen said he had turned down the requests because they were overly broad and not capable of being on 3rd the u.s. 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World Service I m Bridget candle and today we re talking about the history of telling the time with Dr Phil Ackerman from the Oxford University Museum of the history of science Dr Louise divorce from the Royal Observatory Greenwich and from Geneva Swiss watch expert Gregory garden at our whistle stop tour through the history of timekeeping is more or less bushes up to the start of the 20th century and since then well they ve been hugely significant developments in types of timekeeping increased portability doesn t seem to have that forward very much but Gregory at the start of the 20th century we did see the emergence of the wristwatch as we know it today don t we and world No one had a huge influence here maybe to start I want to say sort of 1st watch was made for it is a 1st wristwatch was made for it is about the 1st so it was very early in 1572 but the real wristwatch is are made in Europe maybe. 3 are in serious end of the 19th century it was approx $875.00 so it s a wrist watch it s incredible change for man and for women because of wrist watch was 1st made for a woman as a general and for men it was quite difficult because if you ever watch your pocket watch in your pocket it s protected by sharks what are everything s so if you have a pop at your watch in your pocket it s safe and when you put it on your wrist you have sharks you have water we have a lot of things and the real reasons that man s put it so watch is on the wrist was a 1st world war because it was more convenient to have the watch. In the pocket and we were talking just about Greenwich Mean. Time I m nuts the Grinch observer is best known what are the different ways in which this time was conveyed to people we ve had a number of different options that the most well known perhaps is the time Bowl installed in 833 and the idea there was that mariners waiting on their boats down the river Thames just the 1st of the hill with the absolutely situated could look up and see this bull see a couple of metres across and it drops every day at precisely 1 o clock so it drops down the mast on top of the building and you can use that as a check for your crimes to before you head out to sea you re right accurate timekeeper That s fine if you re local and if you re for America but obviously that doesn t really help if you re outside of London or Greenwich area so instead we have the network of signals transmitted by the Shepherd last o clock and then later on in 1000 century we have a slightly quirky unusual and method to distributing time and that s by humans a rather enterprising young man John Henry Bellville working us assistant to the observatory realised that there was that a need or demand for accurate time by London s so burgeoning community of clock watchmakers and so he arranged and to take this very accurate pocket watch down to London perhaps once or twice a week effectively taking absolutely time to people and he had a whole host of The scribes who had been pay for this service and this was continued by his daughter as well right up until the 1940 s. I m very we have the radio didn t really people began to be able to tell what time it was by turning on the radio and very famously here at the b.b.c. There s what s known as the peps which is the Greenwich time signal by which you could set your watch yes so this started in the 1920 s. And it s it was a race needs time and by a pendulum clock based at the observatory and then the signal to be sent to the b.b.c. And even. When the observatory moved from Greenwich down to Hersman Sudan a Sussex about 50 miles south of London they the signals those 6 pips were still sent because they really became part of the British culture I think as well a very very recognizable so that tradition continues and today is actually broadcast here for book Lasting House is that done in other countries around the world do they use a system of Picts through a national signal of what the time is I m not aware of any Pip system myself but I m sure other countries have their own means of doing so either of the radio or t.v. Or even Internet today what we will come to the 20th century there are all sorts of new inventions which have changed the way we measure all sorts of things we think about g.p.s. Satellite navigation apart from g.p.s. What are the other great technical leaps of the trying to sentry which would change the game but certainly for most of the barratry perspective if you have the the advent of atomic clocks in the 1950 s. After the 2nd World War there s this an abundance of oratory operators and there s more knowledge about atomic developments and radar and from that in 1955 you get that the 1st atomic clock by Louis Essen at the National Physical of our tree down in Teddington and. It s it s an amazing device it s actually on display at the Science Museum if you want to see it when you re next in London essentially you take some cesium atoms and you heat it up in oven and this generates it beam of atoms that there are then directed towards a cavity where they re subjected to microwave radiation and microwave radiation is great because it s got the same frequency as the natural resonant frequency of the atoms so they are so late and emits radiation that oscillate about 9000000000 times a 2nd and so we can use that as our time stand it where is saying comparison that the Harrison timekeeper that won the longest treat award that was beating 5 times. Econd So huge huge leap in accuracy so how much more accurate all the way it s going more and more accurate now and so physicists are actually moving away from and the microwave part of the spectrum towards the more energetic visible optical part of the spectrum instead so instead of bombarding us of microwave radiation you can use lasers very intense beams of light that connection and excite the atoms and then they generate even more radiation and so that the cycles then become even more intense over $100000.00 times more than the previous atomic clocks so that it really is becoming more and more accurate these are circled optical clocks and that s right yes yes I am or only one second in a 100000000 years or something it s staggering Yes Yes So I wonder what you think about this as that the precision with which these modern atomic optical clocks can operate is getting so close to perfection do we lose something in the way we measure time as humans. We certainly gain Chris s in but we completely get devolved or divorced form where time originally came from the time we used was based on the movement of the sun and it s roughly still in sync but. It s often the case when I work with young people that there is this feeling oh Alyson Betis weren t quite up to it actually they knew a huge amount about the movements of the stars the sun and the moon they could look outside and say the age of the moon that means the the number of nights since New Moon is fine if that tells me certain things about the high tide coming in so we have basically lost all of that knowledge and for many societies it wasn t a tour relevant to know that it s for Clark. They needed to know and how much daylight Have I got left or when is the prayer time I need to observe for completely different reasons and why it s precision is wonderful it s also very much a straight jacket everybody is dominated by what we re looking at the watch or smartphone all the time when you observe people so we ve basically become a slave to time what do you think your ways yes I think we ve become much more aware of numbers as well and I certainly use the 24 hour clock a lot more so I ll say to someone and I m getting the 1834 train rather than perhaps a 634 train I think we re becoming a lot more aware of numbers because that s what we see on our smartphone screens or on a computers it s become a lot more digital as well so you re saying we don t think about a clock face which is round and think about time divided up in a circle the way we props used to I think that was also a conceit wasn t it yes I think that young people are thinking about time in a different way and some young people I know a very uncomfortable with looking animal clocks now that that s not what they used to that they use turn a time by by numbers effectively so be interesting to see how that changes in the next generation or so but the clocked out itself is in some senses a legacy of the a sundial as well that the positioning of the numbers the way the hands move that there s also of mimicking the movements of the shadow across the Sunda Well actually it goes back to the us to labor which we mentioned much earlier in the program People often ask me why a clock goes clockwise There s no logic to it whatsoever it could technically I m sure Gregory would agree with that technically go under clockwise but the dial often astrally which is divided into 2 times 12 hours or 24 hour clock follows the movement of the stars and the movement of the sun and that goes clockwise so clock does which mimicked that early instrument follow that so we are in fact still following when we. Look at the clock dial a very very old system we re going to what do you think about that do you think you could have a I agree not a village backwards because we have some clocks going on to clockwise so at the beginning Sarah going clockwise are anticlockwise like a surface that s wraps on so that s a beginning it s no ruler saw you can do what one saw after so Rose is going clockwise but at the beginning in Italy for example you have a huge tower clock it s going to clockwise. Or saw or not as the beginning of the day at midnight but at the end of the day so yeah at the beginning we have to find 2 friends of yours who finds a system and we come to what I say one so what about the other point which Louise made do you think that what she says the future will tend to have numbers on them rather than a dial would you think something about the clock face the circle which will endure . As a shooter of the crux of our watches as good good question because there we are as connected devices I will not tell this names is. What she is connecting to watch is for me it s a device you put under a wrist it s not a wedge for the future I think it will be more and more connected. We are no earthly slave of time of course and we created time and we are not slaves of time I think if we love as we love to there we still love watches we will continue in the future to love this kind of watches because if you are you re a very precise watch and you look at it every 2nd your time and now people who want to be off time one solution is to have this mechanical watches because of where I m going to watch you wearing something found as a watch it s more. It s more a piece of art and when you look at your watch you look at your watch for for the time so you look real watch was a beauty of your watch saw indications of that and if you take my cares I ve got some kind of graphs but for the good c. Of the day because if you need to. Shot times I use my farm but for that it s beautiful to have a graph down because you have sub dialysis you have and that connector on the dial and it s more possibilities sons of foster functions if you take the 2nd of who watch I will never use a 2nd every day I was however minutes because I think the trend to go to work but it was a say counts for me it s totally useless and the beginning of the utility of minutes is interest or a little Bishan as we say to be as the 1st train timetables but for the sake comes maybe if you want to cook some eggs you need minutes it s totally useless for people on the other indication for me answer that I was a beaut of syndication of the beauty of the gin. Most of the watchmaker and the date is very useful but also an indication through there we really don t need it because and the beginning is a reason of or indication is a specific need we need to know what face is because we don t have a nose or a way to know when faces sun a watch we need to know. Shot time we need a quote to grasp the concept we don t have a computer we don t have an i Phone etc etc Today we have. Technology and this technology is market rates and mechanical watches but we will still make a nickel watches his complication in Sag we don t really need it but we want it we love it for for the beauty of it equally fascinating question not just whether we have our dials or what the clock what the timekeeper looks like is will we still use 12 for 24 hours and 60 Minutes or will we change that system that s complete agreement for a very long time but there was of course the time during the French Revolution at the time of Napoleon when decimal time was introduced where there were 10 hours in the day with 100 minutes each which seems a perfectly logical thing to do given that so much else has gone decimal but that did not survive one question to ask you is what would happen if for some reason all our clocks around the world stopped that they couldn t work how would we be would we will be scuppered or would we adapt if we weren t able to use these measurements of time anymore what do you think Luis I think we re so dependent on time now because it s wrapped up with all our our travel our banking computers we I think we really would be crippled What do you think Gregory Yes. The clocks so what would stop everything is based on time basically computers inside of your computers you have. Time so if you don t have the time everything will stop on ours so we will need to start a new way to live without time I think we created time it s why we need time so I think it s no way to live without time so your thoughts I agree with Gregory and Louise that huge chunk of our life would come to a standstill. But for daily purposes to meet people to make arrangements in the house and we would probably get back to the skills which we have lost look outside look at the sun and the moon or even if it happened for a short period be reminded of how important those skills there and what time which we use as a matter of fact nowadays without thinking about it was actually based on so instead of being slaves of time we could be liberated from time that s what you re saying is Ok and it would certainly be a tempting moment. Well that s an interesting place to stop and I m afraid to say that on this program our time is up thanks to you all so Ackerman Louise devoid and Gregory got to Nettie next week on the forum we explore the work of some author Conan Doyle the creator of one of the world s most famous fictional detectives Sherlock Holmes of course in the meantime there are lots of other topics to explore or to download as a free podcast from our website just had to b.b.c. World Service dot com forward slash forum and we d like to hear from you too open forum is our new space for your ideas on anything you like from science and politics to art and history go to our website for more information so enjoy the programs and season. B.b.c. The.
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Anything I wouldn t I wouldn t sit back while he would hit me and. Fighting and you wouldn t why would you not back I don t want her. To teach you about. You know that that you learn from your brother fighting with your brother has taught me to know when to be defenseless. When to take a step back when you know my give me an example in terms of when the when do the lessons show us how to be resilient you know co-founded the business back in 2000 do a lot of fundraising be a lot of. You learn not to be aggressive and certain situations that could come back to her she later on so when you re out raising money I guess you can run a rejection you don t want to be you know be nice to everybody because we can come around again really that we want to be gracious you know you want to learn how the situation. So you learn from your brother that you really didn t want to beat him up over the let it go and just sort of help you with this stuff. But one of the cars that rolled through his employer when I grow and I began to walk on a. Your mother had a big influence on you she told me work at. Such a learn from her are in a bar on a bakery in South Philadelphia and a bakery how young were you when you started working in the bakery or 9 years old and what were you supposed to be doing in that bakery making bread and what were you doing in that they can really learn about like what you re talking about. You know with an interesting you know melting pot of people you got a quick education you learned about business she learned about work ethic a lot about what it s like to make a buck so wait a minute you were supposed to be learning about business. You know working in the bakery and that you were learning about people so you really have this. Focus on people don t you in your life just like you do with the beach or broader problem. I didn t I do you are a lot about you know people would. Imagine then our work with sound interesting to resonate with them early in the green room we talked about your ride to the bakery from Cherry Hill New Jersey with your grandmother can tell us a little about that. A little bit of the lessons that you learned to mention that as you grew up you learned how to drive your award and chose to give your grandmother or work a ride to work until she was 95 years old what was going on in those rides and what you changed as no matter what you no matter what my grandmother had to get there or you know she worked very old age and previous My father shot before I got my driver s license she liked to beat up on and so when I got my life I just I stepped right into the role and I enjoyed every minute I spent what I learned a lot from our she was a smart one in any you know would have been a she entered a nation where I mean she was running a bakery and sells a little t. What I mean she breaks with. Smart business person down with me with pen and paper and pad and asked me to find my finance or white 101 years old she would do that so the grandmothers in a pretty significant influence on you know what did you learn from that you bring to work every day. You know my father was one of the most like guys in a neighborhood extremely well respected he was pure class and you know he taught me how to treat people you know he taught me that education paramount. And you know he taught me they. Taught me how to be a fallen. Hero you re. How young were you when you feel like you had this interest in me and I was always going to solve a problem. I do want to thank so you know I got older I thought about being a physician and went to college for chemistry. Didn t do your starting this. But he did in. My 1st job out of working at University of Pennsylvania so you re really sick when you re really feeling when you ve got this great deal of compassion I guess your mom or dad would your dad tell you about your success how did he feel about that he was really proud of me you know he would have been more proud of me she knew that I sent it out got my doctorate and how old are the young were you when your father was 24 and how do you know. So you haven t really seen or heard and now you how do you think you feel if you walk through the doors of your office nowadays I think you would be really. Surprised you d be surprised I think you mean what do you mean. I think you really probably set out my thinking be surprised that I came this far I think you know if you know anything for me to get a college degree and you know have a successful career I think you would be surprised that I founded a company and took it this far and where I m at today. You have 20 groups you re eventually identical twin girls yeah I want to. Gabrielle about that s that s that s fantastic. Your dad taught you how to be a father and loving and sensitive one of the similarities between being a dad and. I think the most important you know characteristic of a leader is for the people you know are asked to follow you know that you care about them they have to know you care about them or they respect you and they want to. Know what s going to do it what you learn from your daughter. What I learned from my daughter. We had a really tough pregnancy I had actually the most complicated serious complication to have an identical twin the result while there that we didn t think they were going to get here. Go on you know that was the hardest thing I better get through my entire life and what you learn from that experience. That I m taller than I thought. What to do or your relationship with your wife. It s stress that just really demonstrated you know how much we love each other we were a team we stayed unified through all of it and fought for both Even when doctors were telling us that you know we might have to pick one or the other you brought into the business of making the business I never give up on anything what do you mean. I never give up on any idea how I mean you know sometimes you have to make sure you don t have a crystal ball and so what I believe is that you don t necessarily always need the right decisions you have to make the decision right. You know in prevention or maybe walk away from a path to talk you know blast away specially after what I want my girl. To me like as opposed to ripping the relationship apart with you when your wife actually brought you 200 together and I m wondering when you get stopped in business screaming the only truth you need to draw you closer together no I don t do that and I let people who work for me do that so you know I I don t I don t keep down I don t know anybody else down and I don t. Really work we had a great quarter everybody pulled together and that s the type of dynamic that we try to set the company there was a relationship where your brother really really didn t work near them when he was there a lot to do with it what do you mean you know you got to pick people up when trying to get specially you know when it s a team effort to ultimately get you to when you ve got to pick up everybody up around you and make sure you re all. You know we were talking in the green room and Mark mentioned that you re in the 1st business of protecting people through the work you do. So when you get that project of nature from. Again my family you know. I always felt very protective you know Arsalan was very protective My grandma was very protective. And they were responsible to build your website address free. And visible Sentinel section where we can speak and they simply are. You know invisible no hearings actually was radioed over there but for exactly was radio the color it was. In your name and I am Peter now I think and which organization you with Peter I work for Maryland Bank of America. What do you like about Richie do what do you enjoy about what she s in for a little what I really enjoy writing together financial plans for people creating income programs that last a lifetime they don t have to work forever why do your clients and I ve been working with you I thank you we really understand human condition we treat them all as an individual not as models that are understand that in many and you re working with 3rd generation despairingly you understand money not just for today but also for preserving getting growing it into the future you ve been doing this for a number of years now have a chat is true more than I care to count but about 32 and hello how can people get in touch with your website address or email. Or underscores Now I know that m.l. I mean about one more time Peter Tunder stores now trying to chat and. 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Or victim or something referring to how people are being treated just so you know I consider myself one of the last minorities in the us the individual do not d.n.a. To be an individual self-reliant watching the 2 year old and their mom. I ll do it myself. Provide for our liberty with government a lot of us to be dependent on it for all that it can so we can keep our independence and. Her hard work but being an independent self-reliant a little bit country and the only way to recapture greatness both personally and. The next time the government help you release your answer to your I know I ll do it myself I m very rasping. One minute learn more at an economy of one dot com. We re back you re listening to his interlude radio talk show host or battle with my co-host just smacked for a brief break America. Going merrily. On their March. 4th and we d like to introduce him during his presidency or Archer what is Archer what do you guys direct. Financial services companies. A little more about the details of what you do so we have a cloud based application that discretionary investment managers utilize to run their business and along with that we also provide the people to do all the operational work on behalf of the line in this company responded and you got involved in the when this company when you joined the revenue and how many employees was or wasn t there were no days again I was I was employee number $11.20 they were $300000.00 in revenue. A day we are approaching 50000000 in revenue and we have 75 employees really. Where you re from originally. From Trenton New Jersey you encountered How many brothers and sisters older sister one older sister there what is your oldest sister do to affect you other than beating me up when I was a kid. We were both very competitive. But a lot of soccer basketball tennis track the common role you played on those. On those teams I always took some form of leadership and trying to force. It to when they. Had experience with a little league What was that all about when I was on my baseball team lost every single game in a season by their make you feel so good post which you did about. During the course of my director I really tried to do play every role I could on the team I started in outfield ended up taking on a role of pitcher to try to really advance James Brown who you are interested in. I think ever to and I really don t like to lose I like I like the way I like to further the success of the menu or the play multiple roles world absolutely do that in the business at the Republican leaders I need. I ve been I ve been in every role that the company employs other than a pure technology and there we go I figured you know you play the role the team is there it is again. Grandfathers on you. Tube to grandfather said I had a pretty significant impact on what. I had mother s father was a fighter pilot pilot in World War 2 you know. He was very. Calm when I was a kid and I mean I was getting involved for a hobby he would always provide me details around that later be an article or a book that I should read in order to educate. Would you learn from that what he would not apply to. The taught me to understand the tactical before I can actually go and do something. My 1st one of my 1st job I was offered a relationship management role and I ended up taking an operational role just because I needed to understand how it worked before I could show you like understanding what you re doing before you do what you think there are more grip of what the other grandfather how do you direct. I would say he was much more passionate he was a prisoner of war World War 2 we fought for Italy you know we re going to do it. But I mean he had a lot of diversity a lot of adversity in his life. As a prisoner of war ended up staying in the in the country. And really made a life for myself by entering into a trade and he actually did tile in marble work his whole life working up there with you how do you fact you. Did you learn from them that using in your business you know was really understanding again he did the same thing right he understood the tactical stuff I really understood his trade in order to grow was business. Brian earlier in the green room we talked about your leadership talked about. Her interests are struggling at work elaborating that rather than fire them what do you how do you deal with that I mean I m a big believer in the good the great book you know right you know right people on the right. So I tend to try to make sure that you know what the person is in the right roles before making any other judgment so how do you develop that skill that comes from you know I think a big I think a big part of that me goes back to go back. And really understanding what needs to happen in order to advance the ball in terms of somebody great a somebody somebody was struggling your nature is to go in and try to figure out how you can help. You know everybody ends up winning you know that you re not blogging but you know I want to get rid of somebody or for throw anybody under the bus you really want that seem to work absolutely and I think it probably goes back to. My younger son who has special needs and I think as a father you know I take a step back in making sure that somebody has the right to do some things before I don t make it the whole Her 2nd so what have you learned from your. Use of the building. You know when you have a kid with special needs and understanding and trying to find out where they fit into the world and what their capacity is to be successful what you need to try to figure out and it s not that different with anybody even in work making sure that they re in the right position to be successful is the most important thing for a company to be. A matter of you need a job but. Just like your son you re really trying to understand. And we re here. To you can move them in their direction absolutely. Which role is your wife play in that whole process. Or work. The lead role with him from that perspective so I can focus on them on my business. But we re a team and she really takes she really takes a leadership role and she thinks a leading role so you trust your wife and. You trust your team. I do so you know how to trust you trust people. And everybody all the time it s really a matter of building where people feel like you know you re you ve got a real feel comfortable with your voice make me leave your I mean the reality is in a team it s not trust in the team that is the fundamental thing that will set you up for failure so the trust in your partners in your team your executive team is really what apart from our competitors and how we re going to make more sense Brian you were adamant in the green room about your hatred of losing what drives you more your will to win or or the fear of the I think they re both striving. To win but there s nothing to me more exciting about winning a new deal you know winning a new client working together with the team and seeing everybody happy about that just aren t you mention an interesting thing that your father did with you in the kind of knew what you wanted before you didn t have any user. Experience and dealing with the people that work for you I mean he had an ability to know about me before I did my ties as a kid and I think that s a trait that I have taken on as. I think people can be successful and putting him in the right positions that people follow you and you ve been able to build a team I think line managers a lot of a lot of loyalty between me and my team we do a great job of recruiting talent into the organization and I think a big part of that the leadership that we have and then obviously the great. And what about your mom you mentioned. I think I got a fair amount of compassion from my mother she was a registered nurse. And I certainly you know she stepped up in the role of being a housewife taking care of my sister and I. When when that was required. Gloria I m curious you mentioned you took the role at our church and downs mandate which we know from an economic perspective was it was a tough time in the economy if you hate to lose why would you take that kind of rest. To great question you know I was at a previous firm much much larger organization went from a very entrepreneurial environment to much more of us. Are meant for me it wasn t necessarily all about the money and I wanted to go somewhere where I can build something and really make a difference in the organization buter. Great passion and drive. What you ve done tell us about how you develop there are you manage patients that work. I mean maybe the big part of what we ve had to do. I took over the organization in 2012. From 2012 to 15 I raise private equity and money reconstituted my board and renamed the name of the company so if you don t have patience in order to get to that point. That s about a big part of what I mean a long way it s going to. A lot of activity there in a very short period. Archer Dr Archer on the. Best part of your drug I m supposed. To get anything. Nothing s more fun than leaving there s a team of people that I have around me and he was it was born during pregnancy was watching generally like it was with your sister that I was strategic initiative really it s got a little more that I was like she was reduced to speculators are calling for more but I reject your present moment right after this break. Are you ready for Auburn. This club formerly known. As it is now open at the crossroads shopping center near Safeway on Bell Road with rates as low as 95. Or 4 ball jam in the area that is fully loaded with. Including freeways. 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We re back you re listening to exactly real dishes restored microchip back to work really frankly practice. During Merrill Lynch in Tamil right go to tech more slander. We re going in and Lauren Stewart type or like to introduce a great picture president and c.e.o. Skills serve right great what is still surreal what you guys do or now we offer predictive cloud based software solutions to companies to help them make better hiring decisions Interesting how do you go about doing that we offer a solution that allows any opinions of others people who work with applicants to provide their feedback to excellence and where you re from originally Harrisburg Pennsylvania and. How old is it and how long ago were you brought into it founded in 2001 I was brought in December of 2006. 102 when when you got involved with the business how large and versus how large or small is it now I was at 6 employees. We did less than half a 1000000 in revenues and we are now approaching 90 employees and 30000000 revenues right. I mean you built a substantial business for how many brothers and sisters do you have 2 sisters and one brother and where are you in the pecking order I m 3rd in line and one of the duties being 3rd in line being raising your housekeeper nature made me aware that I was involved with those larger family and had this had to contribute wherever possible and then you tell me earlier that it made a pretty competitive very competitive with my brother and I talk a little bit about travel kind of sports to play and how that play out with you and your brother we were out of that pretty much every day. In part because we had to be as my father was sleeping and then we would like any kind of support possible. Player Why was it that even when he was a lot man he d wake up at 2 am in the morning and come home and fall asleep while we were coming home from school. Or go to work with your dad and I did wonder how old were you but 8 years old how did you feel about that it was a great day why because again we didn t see him much and. So for me to spend an entire day with him was just terrific So you were on the milk truck with your dad that s correct and you really enjoyed that and I did so you really enjoyed hanging out with people I do and you will be bored by any chance. How is your relationship with the board very very good and do you think your relationship with your father anything to do with the relationship with the board as opposed to being a pretty your dad or a lying cheating he had a pretty close relationship when you were excited to hang out with him you know the same kind of relationship with the board is that true true. To your relationship with your dad help plant the seeds for your ability to deal with a board you re not afraid of dealing with the board like you were afraid of dealing with your dad someone I mean my mother actually contributed more to that than just my father my father taught me how to work hard my and my mother was the one who was inclusive every opinion mattered and to get as much feedback education story as. She told me that you re in. Me that again your mom taught you to be inclusive. To me that again you know my mother included everybody in conversation to make make sure that every opinion mattered and I carried that with me today that s what the business does doesn t actually touch your mother picking up world she s not but I hadn t thought about a little talk with her. Being in a business of building teams double tremendous team yourself but tell us a little bit about that team what makes it work that we have that we do have a great team the reason why we have grown to where we are today and because they are very diverse in their opinion a very smart as well. You mentioned earlier that you were very competitive you just played neighborhood in the city you played sports in the neighborhood really grew up and. What was your effect on that team and you told me you were drawing the play probably a little bit more about well everything was about winning I mean especially against my brother we never played in the same team we were always on opposite to us because of that competitive nature and so for me it was about drawing up players and staying on. What you do in business now is the same thing today you know when we have a problem or in front of us as we always do it s about drawing up a playing Going going to see if you ll succeed or not you have a creative streak going on very much Jeffrey you the smartest guy on the team is probably no not even close and how do you how do you get people to contribute their best ideas I think they prefer the fact that we have a highly collaborative environment one that is built on trust and transparency. More. Cooperation and when do you have to put your foot down and. That s a great great point because of course you can just sit there all day long and discuss it without moving forward so I make sure that at some point we gather all the appropriate facts to go ahead and move forward. You don t have a problem making the final decision you just want to make sure that your mama make sure you get all the opinions 1st that s correct the more data the more opinions I can get the more confident I am in making that final decision and that s what this that s what the business software that s right. All right so I ve gone back to the . Story you told us about driving with your dad on a truck when I know he learned that he really had a great work ethic What else did you learn from that experience that just seems to be indelible in your and your memory I think it was all that nobody could outwork him and I think there are smarter people along my team there were talented people my team but the one thing I can control always working anybody else Christine is you have a question like your dad went from the milkman the gas sales what happened was. The milk industry was declining and he wanted to find something else that would help him with the you know obviously support the family and so he was introduced into that industry. And making that leap but how do you do that does that relate to what you do that very wealthy people find the right role I think for him or that risk right but ultimately thought of something that he could succeed in even if you have a question or. You mentioned earlier. That you lead a team to get to a decision how do you know when you re the right decision you don t always know you have to some point just make solid So again the closer you can get to feeling confident in pursuing something then you get to go ahead and pull the trigger mechanisms better read get the feeling that leading by example is one of your town and you are a very humble guy you had various sections can you talk a little bit about that I think it s really important for people to perceive you as somebody who doesn t include who really cares about everybody else on the team and it s not all about you it s never about me it s always about the team and the team the company being successful because of them. Laurence you mention generic competitor or we re very competitive with your brother you have 2 sisters as well I do what impacted today have. My older sister is very much a leader as well I always looked up to her. You know she certainly set. A lot of decisions around the family that we made. Her previous question yes the same question I asked earlier in the show how would you compare yourself as a dad. I think it s really important to allow everybody in the family to contribute as well as in the company so I think there are a lot of similarities or. You re all about the collaborative at home who are parents from you or your wife my wife I get it you also know how to follow the pros lead all the time but I like her stepping into that role I m tired but in a day I m more than happy to have her make decisions she makes them well but more than happy to have her make those decisions are you you want to trust people you really trust your teenager to work as well as you have to an interesting. Question here or from what have you learned about yourself through the successes you had in the business from the paper route to c.b.s. . Are. About me clear about the fact that I ve relied on others to help me get there and. Always about the market which is the milkman of. Late once a week once every other weekend and he ll always greet me with time so probably yes why why do you think. I just feel like. Pleased with my success and maybe that s a problem a little bit because. There s another man being a farmer s son actually told you right at the beginning of the conversation. Pretty much pretty much. Love just open Absolutely which is unusual for him so tell me about how that plays out in terms of open expression of emotions I think it s very important to let people know how much you appreciate their contributions I try to do it quickly as I can and if a salesperson just lined us up and not hear from me almost immediately leader as well so you re Drew you re comfortable with emotions like you re comfortable with emotions between you when you re down I m comfortable with emotions I mean yes I think it s really important for people to really understand how important they are to you and I try to deliver that message as much as I possibly can hard you re afraid that there was liable to take your been there for more money if you appreciate I haven t taken advantage of but you still do it anyway yes that s correct I think it in the day if I want to try to do that maybe I can but I don t want to get me down right because the bottom line is the people you appreciate that appreciate you do feel good about it that s right. 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And making sure that they felt included in the work that we were doing at. 70 years old your natural inclination even though you re the middle of 3 organize everybody else. Was going to do with the gig you re doing that well I m an attorney by background but the part that I enjoyed most about practicing law the corporate attorney abstractly was helping cry and achieve their ultimate success Congrats that s what we do every day when our goal is to lose clients or economic sustainability where your mom did for a living my mother was also an attorney and Hunter and when you guys came to the United States she was brought here fancy dancy law degree right she did it did not translate over and she stayed home and raised that for a few years then went back to school got her masters in social work where your mom was proud practicing attorney and her entourage you guys came to the United States she was unable to practice anymore that s right. And what did you learn from your mom and what I learned from my mom about her go to the greater good to be there s nothing wrong with short term sacrifice for a long term when once I wait a minute you told me that you know you you it s Ok to go to something the older to get a new body and that s made you know. What sort of to do with what you do for a living well right now as we are the organization is interested in long term successes but sometimes that can be achieved without taking a step backward doing some tough assessment recognizing your strengths and your weaknesses been coming up with a plan for addressing those weaknesses. I don t and I have 5 children on top of the top of that you have 5 children and you do I have been and I had to break together and he came with what you learn from your kids. To build this organization the congressional every day we were from the sure it s very important to be inspired and to be inspiring my children and fire me every day to do my best to and in turn I hope that I m inspiring them just like we have to inspire our clients and our staff at Congressional How come you will get hired. Because I m a woman. Like your mother. Or you like your mother I am very much like my mother. My mother she going to Maison woman you know She recreated her when we came to this country she has sacrificed for each of the departure and been a great partner to my dad are both still living and healthy she retired when my sister had her 1st daughter my sister was in the middle class in the middle of her medical resident and she decided to stay home to see that you re the mom or disorganization congressional Well I m just 2 months and I did serve on the board for 7 years prior to but yes I am. Still like them around here yes you re kidding who told you that we have a great team that Congrats Oh and we all work together our women actually and that we recognize that some of our caregiver at the moment. America. Carolina in the green room you talked about your parents sacrifice when they immigrated over here how do you know how early were you when you needed the sacrifice that they made. It was very early on I wouldn t have the traditional relationships I didn t have strong relationships with my grandparents given the distance between I would very apparent that my parents weren t going to have that spoke a life that you would have been close drownded by a support group we didn t we do have family here in the United States that had immigrated here earlier but you know wasn t the same dynamic I mean said about your mom to something in her when you were growing up a little bit of problem in a. Free your father you mentioned him in the green room what did you learn from him that you can be stuff made that you can make decisions and build up are in each decision to ultimately be fix that p. Grew up very talented in 100. 7 languages he s an engineer and he s still employed with the same engineering firm he. Joined when we came here with a suit you brought up to try to throw your arm was a bit lonely. But some of the Rick what you re doing now with a well I can grasp well when you walk in the door of the model is me God My God relative my home is your home and that s how we want to make everyone feel. Like you report on their ipad Carlene it s going back to your and your locker when I continue on become a hotshot wear makeup. Right now a little revenge my husband a hotshot lawyer we met at work and he s a partner at Stradley Ronon and after our we had our 2 boys I really had a moment to suffer flak and identify what was most passionate to me and that was really serving the community or you told me a story at the break about a soccer match you d been to in d.c. With your family and yet you were torn about a rich war between the u.s. And. Years ago my father parked for us to go to d.c. And watch the underage us soccer team play and on the back of the ticket there were instructions that if you re going to root for him direct you are to wear blue and if you re going to root for the u.s. You are to wear red and so for me of course everything just is a dilemma Who do you root for your your country or your apparent contrary I wore blue and I did so after I analyzed the issue as a lawyer do and realize that in America that s what makes it such a beautiful country but you can t pay homage to your roots and your culture was killed in America and today you had your mother being a bit lower and a strike and you re the mom of moms with this organization that really turns you on it really did better get ability to identify a group and get involved with the group in effect a group in terms of its own well being is really what you re all about isn t it it s not about really winning though it s not about winning it s about really moving forward it s about living someone forward to their next ultimate goal not really being seen a bullet. Your mom. Should move to Florida Well you know she allowed us to become so we were by every discussion that she made her decision to stay home and to raise a Turkish citizen to then go back to school my sister her and I were all at record university at the same time other understand. How do you know that because I am quite literally her. Very much alike personality character traits strengths and weaknesses did she tell you what she wanted you to do or did she try to figure out and communicate No she never told us what she wanted me to do my father was very much involved in our education and our academics she really let us find ourselves of course with her guidance to your goals the depot to make sure that every come back to the middle I didn t sample now your mother in the last well I got married in my twenty s and that was a mistake and she knew that was happening and you know when it came time to make that decision to not continue in that marriage she was there open arms. Ha ha you had the way you build the business you Bill you re a socialist Well she let people make some boo boo Welcome back here to make a boo boo well like the band I m on the dissent then add but you actually you can always move forward our part of the contract out the lock with the end Congress and that people make mistakes and so if we were to pass judgment on clients or staff for a path decision we really wouldn t be apparatuses the website address of this organization director that not actually been speaking is on television and could rewrite the Georgio presidency or congressional just. Talk to the ranks or her great show next Giuliani. And the Sentinel brand or a president and c.e.o. Of Archer Rabe actual or president. Or very and just now Carolina Cabrio Calabria to Giorgio president and c.e.o. Of congressional. 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