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Experience. but i stayed because -- and the joint chief of staff was there, mark esper was there, that was about syria and what was going on there. that's sort of the way approach it. we do this but we have do our job. i will look to find someone at the white house to work with me. i found them. there are quite a few people over there and we are working together even though this other stuff is going on. >> you said a minute ago you know jim jordan and work with him and don't know what the hell he's doing to use your words. >> that's true. >> most people know what he's doing, which is protectin...

About what she saw. she was careful not to appear partisan. she did talk to the republicans about some of the conspiracy theories they've been floating and say i study this for a living. none of what you're saying about ukraine meddling in the 2016 campaign is true. she went out and she told the truth, and now, as jonathan says, it will be up to the house and eventually the senate and the american public to decide based on what they've heard for two weeks whether or not donald trump did something worthy of impeachment. >> you can see why they scheduled fiona hill as the cleanup witness. she wa...

Reaches all the way down in the chain of command to make a decision about a warfare device, i think that does undermine good order and discipline as follows. it says to all of those special forces operators, you know, you could go out and report something that you see that's a terrible crime on the battlefield and if you do that it will just get reversed later on. it undermines the ability of the navy chain of command to keep that good order and discipline. and that's why you see secretary of navy richard spencer who is an absolutely fabulous former marine, very capable near cabinet official i...

The president of the united states to step into a case like this and to, that in fact, hand down a directive to the navy? >> it's extremely rare. it does occur, you see it just like you do in the civilian world, willie, you see where a president and all presidents have done this, issue pardons along the way. but in the military, because we have our own system of justice with the investigators, the juries, the judges are all military, it's very rare for a president to step into that process. and in the context of this particular case, to step in in what are convictions for war crimes. i can't r...

Like foreign policy being run this way, but i don't see enough here to remove an elected president from office. it's an argument republicans may have made from the beginning, may have been more compelling, but they couldn't do it because the president was denying everything. is that a winning argument, something that can carry the day? >> yes. >> bad stuff but not impeachable? >> it's the only argument. to your point they should have done it from the beginning. hey, look -- because what we've learned about this president is not only will people accept playing outside the lines, that part of it...