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Years? democracy is in play. you cannot be anymore severe or passionate. anybody that doesn't get that has got their head up their butt. >> certainly there is that idea that if the president is impeached here, is not removed and then wins re-election, how does that embolden him going forward when he never has to face voters again? >> go ahead, michael. >> i was going to say, you know, based on everything that's said around the table, here is where i come down on this. and this is really a question to will herd and everyone else who just have seen and heard everything that we have seen and hear...

>> don't put it on speaker phone, that might disprove your point. michael steele, let me ask you about the republican approach which was a revelation to a lot of people and why david holmes was there yesterday, which was to say, you know, what else -- recount for us chapter and verse everything that was in that conversation? oh, you couldn't remember? why did it enough to asap rocky in sweden? he said i heard what i heard about ukraine and then he moved on to a different topic. republicans didn't have a lot of places to go with david holmes yesterday. >> no, they didn't because he, you know, i...

Like foreign policy being run this way, but i don't see enough here to remove an elected president from office. it's an argument republicans may have made from the beginning, may have been more compelling, but they couldn't do it because the president was denying everything. is that a winning argument, something that can carry the day? >> yes. >> bad stuff but not impeachable? >> it's the only argument. to your point they should have done it from the beginning. hey, look -- because what we've learned about this president is not only will people accept playing outside the lines, that part of it...

Pursue that testimony, susan, from john bolton and mick mulvaney and from mike pompeo, in other words, extending these hearings. or we've seen what we need to see, let's get on the record and let's go ahead and vote before christmas is what democrats are arguing. do you think we'll see john bolton's testimony? >> not as yet. but it doesn't mean it won't happen if the doesn't mean that it can't be requested further down the line. it doesn't mean that -- we said this last hour, that the hearings are necessarily over. i'm not sure that they are because there's a lot of threads to still pull at th...

I don't want to overstate it, but it just seems to be that everything is known at this point. everything is known over and over again. we heard the same narrative, the same quid pro quo narrative. and, you know, the only -- the only good thing in this whole process, to me, is that the american people have been allowed to see some great public servants who ordinarily don't get any attention for the good work that they do on behalf of the american people. >> jonathan, one of the things dr. hill did right out of the box, we got a preview of it when we saw her opening statement about 24 hours ago ...