>> i can hear you, lawrence, you can't hear me? >> -- go ahead, now we have your sound. -- >> mike pence, it really is remarkable that he is hiding. he is secreting from the grand jury. he is -- donald trump's pressure campaign to try to get him to commit a number of felonies, violate the electoral count act and obstruct congress's official proceeding. i don't buy the speech or debate clause protection. when you read the supreme court cases, each one says, yes, it is broad. yes, it is sweeping. yes, it is absolute when someone is involved in legitimate legislative activity. his ceremonial duti...