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Worse than donald trump. and they assume that swing voters agree with them. so, in that focus group that you're referencing i did for "the new york times" opinion section, we talked to 11 republican voters. nevertheless at the end of the group, i said, okay, no matter who republicans nominate, do you think they'll beat joe biden? and every person in the group said, yes. polling from cbs news showed 61% of republican voters think donald trump would be a lock to beat joe biden. they don't yet think that he is risky or unelectable. but to harry's point, if he's convicted, maybe that's what it wil...

Election. he may well be unbeatable in the primaries and unelectable in the general because i mean, i just saw voting from navigator, a democratic firm, 28% of republicans believe trump committed a crime. we have to get 95% of them. the 60% who don't, he'll steam roll through the primaries and win. but when you're losing a quarter of your part -- they just don't think he's rude on twitter. they think he's a criminal. by the way, 61% of independents do. so, it's a really impossible situation for the republican party. so far great for trump, but he's a very nearsighted guy. for the party long-te...

Data in 2020 was incredibly compelling in georgia where the president at the time, donald trump, underperformed republicans across the state. he was -- you had state, you had republican congressmen, state legislators, carl rove has incredible depth on this question when he tries to make the argument for why trump is unelectable. you believe in 2024 it's because of the fact that there are all those cobb county republicans in georgia who are embarrassed by donald trump, who didn't want him in 2020 and it's hard to believe that those suburban republicans who turned away from trump stuck with the ...

Do those people peel off to? and that's very much up in the air right now. there doesn't seem to be anyone who is generating kind of the energy outside trump in this primary, that those republicans who will appeal to, or move to words in this cycle. and that's largely because they probably, at the end of the day, you know where they're gonna come down? well, it's wrong -- [laughter] >> this is the problem, david, because michael steele loves this at. but michael steele cannot stand donald trump. and unless you get some maverick to knock trump out of the ring, is it the problem that trump's bag...

The indictments themselves make trump unelectable without arguing he may be guilty? here is how nikki haley tried to thread that needle this morning. >> i have said clearly we need a new generational leader. we've got to leave these things behind. >> would you support him? >> i would support him. because i'm not going to have a president kamala harris. we can't afford that. that is not going to happen. i will tell you, you look at these indictments, there's probably going to be a fourth indictment. we can't have as republicans him as the nominee. he can't win a general election. that's the pro...