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Running for president. i think people have love and affection for joe biden because he spent so much time throughout his life dedicated to democrati opinion, compete with donald trump and the republican ticket on next year. >> ned, a new article in "the new york times" titled "bernie sanders-style politics are redefining the 2020 race, unnerving moderates." it refers to moderate democrats who increasingly fear that the party could fritter away its chances of beating president trump in 2020 by careening over a liberal cliff. so, is that how republicans are hoping this plays out? do you think re...

Recognition? is that what it is? >> i think so. at the end of the day, you have the two that led the way were bernie sanders and joe biden. everyone knows who they are. they've had a very long lead time to get to know voters. i think you're going to see a lot more opportunity for the kamala harrises, for the elizabeth warrens, for the secretary castros of the world to come forth and show the american people generally what they're all about. >> brian, there is an article in "the new york times" titled "bernie sanders-style poll ricks are defining the 2020 race, unnerving moderates." this refers...

Biden runs, that's worth noting, but i think when you look at a pole like this, alex, it's so early and yes you want to be number one but as long as you're in the top five, that's what keeps things going. right now it's name i.d. >> what did a new article titled bernie sanders style. politics are defining 2020 race, unnerving moderates. it refers to moderate democrats who recently fear that the party could fritter away the politics. how big of a risk is this in your mind, sir? how do you think the democratic party should navigate it? >> it is a significant risk because -- but the candidates sa...