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Reforms that he's taken on in new jersey and that we've seen republicans take on elsewhere. >> talk to me a little bit about on the hill, you know, there's a political piece out today about republican strategists anxious about the paul ryan pick. strategists have a way of being anxious about a lot of things. what's your feeling about the talk on the hill among republicans about paul ryan. >> i chatted with a couple of republicans today. in one they remind me that it's important to note the veep pick rarely ends up mattering at the end of the day. that these elections are always fought by the p...

Businessmen have gone into the cabinet. remember don regan. >> he was a sharpie. >> disgrace. he had been head of merrill lynch. and then unsuccessful business people like harry truman whose haberdashery went bankrupt and he turned out to be a pretty damn good president. so i think there is a connection in the minds of some people between these two skills. and that might help romney in this campaign. by the way, when 130 million americans are voting in november, most of them won't have paid any attention to his awkwardness in one-on-one retail politics. so it may be that it doesn't end up matt...

Again with very successful businessmen have gone into the cabinet. remember don regan. >> he was a sharpie. >> disgrace. he had been head of merrill lynch. and then unsuccessful business people like harry truman whose haberdashery went bankrupt and he turned out to be a pretty damn good president. so i think there is a connection in the minds of some people between these two skills. and that might help romney in this campaign. by the way, when 130 million americans are voting in november, most of them won't have paid any attention to his awkwardness in one-on-one retail politics. so it may be ...

Still be rich. a politician can't do that very long. >> yeah, there is really not much of a connection between success in business and success in politics. we've seen that over and over again with very successful businessmen have gone into the cabinet. remember don regan. >> he was a sharpie. >> disgrace. he had been head of merrill lynch. and then unsuccessful business people like harry truman whose haberdashery went bankrupt and he turned out to be a pretty damn good president. so i think there is a connection in the minds of some people between these two skills. and that might help romney i...

Doesn't matter. he'll be as relevant as pat buchanan was to the 1996 convention. >> let's assume paul's delegates end up mattering. he's not a man of compromise, not a guy who just wants a little piece of the action. he's got these crazy ideas. so how do you give him a little something? >> it's awkward bed fellows but it is a shred move by the romney camp to make friends so early on with ron paul. >> it does because he brings in some segments of the vote especially with young people that they will need. so it makes sense. >> what do they give him, the gold standard. >> those voters are adamant...