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The electoral count act. precisely because of what happened in 2020. the clarification that the role of the vice president is purely ceremonial when it comes to the certification of the electoral college to avoid this repeating itself. does this update factor in at all to pence s defense? it shouldn t. he was a witness to ta crime. i don t accept any of these defenses are meritorious. we put that in place to cement the idea that it was ceremonial. i don t accept we actually had to do that. he never had the ability to change the outcome. we wanted to make it absolutely clear. i do worry separately about this independent state legislature theory that is being considered in the supreme court and how trumpism would use that. but i think this is just about you saw a crime. do you want to help your country or do you not. ....