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U.s. cyber command in advance. >> and john, you know how vulnerable we were from solar winds. the government didn't diagnose it. you guys did, and the fact that we didn't know about it and couldn't call it out doesn't that really show how much we have to do if it's the private sector that's involved, it has to be voluntary by these corporations, not required and not mandated by the government. >> yeah. like michelle said, there's a lot of attack surface that we have to worry about. you know, we are offensively very good because we are an advanced, technologically advanced, complex society and ...

For US special-operations units, the cyber domain offers more opportunities to understand an adversary, find its weaknesses, and use them against it.

Possible. he echoed that warning as he joined msnbc regarding the recent attacks. >> i very much consider what has been happening to be a national security threat, when you talk about taking down our basic infrastructure, major pipeline, providing fuel to the east coast, our meat processing operations. our transportation systems. it raises my greatest fear about what could happen with the cyberattack. >> when it's raising his fear that we should all be freaking out. do you get the sense that the government and this administration is taking all of these warnings seriously? >> i think secretary ...

White house. they got jake sullivan. chris angles doing national -- so a lot of really american missing people. the real question though is, are we going to get tough on russia and china? and are we going to be able to help our nation defend. we've got to bring the public prosecutors together to really defend this nation when it comes to cyberspace. >> that said, we also the sergeant of arms is more afraid of the cyberattack against congress then another mob attack at the capitol. if people like leon panetta had been sounding's alarm since 2012, if somebody like the sergeant at arms is now say...

Cyber command, they have the authority for offensive actions. it can be a case by case basis. these recent attacks that have gotten attention here in the u.s., the ransomware attacks, those have been handled by law enforcement, the fbi. one reason that the government is looking at a different way of handling it is there's rarely anything that happens after the ransomware attack. the fbi doesn't have jurisdiction of a criminal network in russia. russia will not let them in to arrest these individuals. now they are considering making this a national security issue and potentially using some kind...