u.s. cyber command in advance. >> and john, you know how vulnerable we were from solar winds. the government didn't diagnose it. you guys did, and the fact that we didn't know about it and couldn't call it out doesn't that really show how much we have to do if it's the private sector that's involved, it has to be voluntary by these corporations, not required and not mandated by the government. >> yeah. like michelle said, there's a lot of attack surface that we have to worry about. you know, we are offensively very good because we are an advanced, technologically advanced, complex society and the down side to that is that we are an advanced complex society and there are weaknesses that they can take advantage of. these ransomware operators are bringing the a game in a lot of cases and they are looking for sort of low-hanging fruit, but