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Properties. this is an old trump tool of the trade. they have been doing it forever. and he's now going after people who have used the same devices he has because he's profoundly paranoid. >> and david corn, the advice he's getting is just laughable at every level. the idea that there is an affidavit that you could get someone to sign that would in any way create a legal jeopardy is an utter fantasy. there is no legal case in which to issue this affidavit. affidavits are part of civil lawsuits. they can be part of other judicial proceedings. they can be part of criminal cases. there is no case...

He has because he's profoundly paranoid. >> and david corn, the advice he's getting is just laughable at every level. the idea that there is an affidavit that you could get someone to sign that would in any way create a legal jeopardy is an utter fantasy. there is no legal case in which to issue this affidavit. affidavits are part of civil lawsuits. they can be part of other judicial proceedings. they can be part of criminal cases. there is no case here. anyone there can sign an affidavit there saying anything, and they won't incur the slightest legal jeopardy. >> it is like his dependance on ...

Adviser on president obama's auto task force and john heileman. msnbc political analyst and writes for "new york" magazine. gentlemen, i want to start with steve. take a look at something you wrote in today's "new york times." you wrote romney's managed bankruptcy plan, quote, sounds like a wonderfully sensible approach, except that it's utter fantasy. i've heard you say this before, but remind us. what is his plan and would it have killed the auto industry? >> you just heard him say he wanted them to go through bankruptcy and if government needed to help on the way out, they could. the proble...

>> i wrote an op ed in the paper and i said absolutely not. these companies need to go through a managed bankruptcy just like airlines have and other industries have. go through a managed bankruptcy. and if they go through the managed bankruptcy and shed the excess of cost put on them by the uaw and their own mismanagement, then if they need help coming out of bankruptcy, the government can provide guarantees and get them back on their feet. >> well, just the proof that he had that audience stacked out there. they applauded the word bankruptcy. no audience in america aplauds the word bankruptc...

These companies need to go through a managed bankruptcy. just like airlines have. just like other industries have. go through a managed bankruptcy. go through that managed bankruptcy and shed the access of cost that's been put on them. then if they need help coming out of bankruptcy, the government can get them back on their feet. >> just to prove he had the audience stacked out, they applauded the word bankruptcy. no audience in america applauds the word bankruptcy unless they were cued to do it by whips in the audience. steve rather in was the leaded a virus for president obama and john heil...