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Is it actually the job of folks who are mobilizing right now? should they be thinking about persuading that sort of persuadable group of voters or is the nature of polarization such that the lesson that we've all learned in some sense is from the tea party, from cpac and from donald trump himself, mobilize those that support you. >> you know, the only thing i was trying to lay out in that piece was there is an equal and opposite reaction on the other side. >> right. >> i'm not saying no one should be protesting. i'm not saying -- i'm not making any value judgment on what the strategy is. i'm j...

Catherine, in term of policy news, forget the press conference. let's talk about policy. >> without a value judgment, the drop off of entertainment from a trump press conference to mcconnell press conference is really steep. look, i think the stylistic stuff matters. that's where trump often really does difficult verge from what you would have seen in a president rubio, for instance. and that stuff matters and it matters to how people perceive people like harward, for instance, might perceive things and there are still these big riffs on something like trade, for instance. that's not going to ...

That one juror holdout saying he doesn't think he will return the other 11 and goes out of his way saying he thinks they are good and honest and doing what they think is right and saying he is not changing his mind. i think what we just saw and say this with no disrespect to the system and explain is buying a little more time for the jurors to talk to each other and get an instruction on the law. but if that written letter remains true and that person is not changing their mind, then according to them, some additional instruction saints probably going to do it which means we would be headed st...

Community. they're having dinner together, hanging around, yucking it up together. how did that strike you as believable? amazing to me, it struck me how unusual that was at the time or even today. >> on one hand it could be unusual, but to many people around the world that's not an unusual thing. you know, i was saying at some point that i think that children, young people really don't see color. and i actually think that they do but they don't add a value judgment on it, a negative value judgment on it. it's other people that come in and teach you that you shouldn't live in that environment,...

That's a given. but in terms of the campaign he ran, in terms of his personal histori histories, in terms of the radical notion of who this candidate is, this is a huge event in our history. it reflects a change in who the people of the country are and how they view our political system, and it is going to reverberate for many, many years. that's the big surprise in this election. nobody -- anybody here think that there was any possibility of this, when it started? >> i mean, donald trump announced, you know, 16 months ago in june. happened during this show, and i admit, i was one of the peopl...