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And it's official. it's what you can -- >> that's what you did with that guy stig who was born on the same day as obama. >> right. the reason it's complicated, though, is that you can technically get your original vault certificate but you have to file under the law in hawaii a freedom of information request. it takes weeks. and to be very frank with you, the state of hawaii doesn't want people getting that certificate because it takes a long time to find, it takes a lot of man-hours, and it's not as official as the short version barack obama has. >> do a lot people file a freedom of informati...

>> gary tuckman, good tease. back to the doctor, that was huge that you got her to talk to you. it was huge. >> the doctor obviously is a very key player. we think there are only two people that have seen this vault certificate, her and her subordinate. but she's been very shy about talking. she feels very strongly that this is totally blown out of proportion and that it's very authentic but she's afraid that the news media will twist her words. >> donald trump sent investigators to hawaii to debunk this. has he talked to or any of his investigators talked to the doctor? >> well, the doctor ha...

The only certified version today. the original one, you can use your original one for a lot of purposes, but for official meanings, for official uses you need now to get the shorter version. so if barack obama is not a u.s. citizen based on his short version of his birth certificate that he's gotten, then there are millions of hawaiians who are not u.s. citizens either. >> he also says you can just go and get your original birth certificate if you want. is it that easy? >> this is a complicated factor. to get the short version it takes five or ten minutes if there's no one in line. it takes $7...

The only certified version today. the original one, you can use your original one for a lot of purposes, but for official meanings, for official uses you need now to get the shorter version. so if barack obama is not a u.s. citizen based on his short version of his birth certificate that he's gotten, then there are millions of hawaiians who are not u.s. citizens either. >> he also says you can just go and get your original birth certificate if you want. is it that easy? >> this is a complicated factor. to get the short version it takes five or ten minutes if there's no one in line. it takes $7...