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in a trump versus cruz contest for february 1st is definitely something we're watching for. ben carson has been on the slide. he was still in double digits. can somebody knock him out of the top three? and then marco rubio as possibly a mainstream choice, but can somebody come up from behind like jeb bush or maybe even chris christie who bess been lagging behind in the polls and take that place in the winner's circle for mainstream republicans? it does feel like anything can happen. four years ago, rick santorum came out of nowhere and won the caucuses. >> that's true. he did. he did. as we said earlier, hillary being third was somewhat of a surprise for people there. she had barack obama and edwards in front of her. let me ask you something, though, how surprised will you be if it's not cruz or trump? >> if it's not cruz or trump, i think that would be a surprise. >> right? i think so. >> both of them have run she smart -- both of them have run very smart campaigns. both of them have, you know,