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She ran the worst campaign. cnn was even given her the debate questions and she couldn't handle it. she said our norms are under assault. she ran her on the country saying she was going to appoint supreme court justices who were going to overturn the supreme court decision, citizens united, in d.c. versus heller, which means basically -- if you read between the lines, she was going to got the first in the second amendments to the united states bill of rights. i would say that's a problem. she said the rule of law is being undermined. well, she got a subpoena to turn over her emails and then de...

Need to show him that's not okay. we need to work with anybody that's willing to work with us to get these policies enacted. if donald trump wanted to come to us and have a meeting with us to talk about how we can address and reduce gun violence as a public health crisis in the united states, we're more than willing to do that. >> you correct me if i'm wrong, but i feel like you were at the meeting at the white house in the wake of the shooting where the president did publicly proclaim something was going to be done. were you not? >> i wasn't at the white house but many of the other survivors ...

Nobody wants to take their handguns away. they can't because that's unconstitutional now because of heller, because of d.c. versus heller in 2008. they can't do it. we need to take away these weapons of war. look at these mass shootings. look at what's happened. and mika, donald trump can no longer say we can do nothing. what if our leaders said after 9/11 we can't do nothing, our thoughts and prayers are with you. after orlando we can do anything, our thoughts around prayers are with you. after newtown, president obama tried to do something. our thoughts and prayers are with you and the 20 li...

Be concerned at this point about his legacy. do you think his eight years in office will be defined in some way by gun violence and the fact he is doing something about it is it going to be a part of his legacy? >> a very big part. i don't think it will be defined by it. the fact he inherented the recession and how the economy does will be a very big deal. but no doubt about it. when he ran in 2008 you had the district of columbia versus heller, the supreme court decision 5-4 based in washington, d.c. that gave some life to the second amendment notion of the right to bear arms. so president ob...

At that provision and the constitution. >> they've had an effect on constitutional law, michael. how did the nra do that? >> we think of then as being so powerful at the ballot box. you're right, this, in part, has manifested itself in changing the way we look at the constitution. the courts have ruled several times that the second amendment did not recognize an individual right to gun ownership. the first time the supreme court did that was in 2008, really recently, in a case called district of columbia versus heller. what happened was gun rights advocates began first with scholarship, to arg...