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Down. again, putin's badly wounded. i don't think he'll last long because he definitely has no control of russian security forces and army. if prigozhin hadn't decided to turn away from moscow, probably he would be now in control of russian cabinet. >> interesting. gary kasparof, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for inviting me. just ahead, we'll have much more on the breaking news coming out of russia right now. we'll talk to a key u.s. lawmaker on the intelligence and foreign affairs committees about what he's learning about this unprecedented upheaval inside putin's russia r...

And putin called for prigozhin to be arrested and russian troops to stop him. and very few if any wanted to fight with prigozhin. i think it's a very trouble be sign that most of the elite russian troops joined prigozhin in his march to moscow. >> so what does this mean for yevgeny prigozhin, gary? is his life now at risk? is putin and his forces, are they still going to try to kill him? >> probably. look, we're talking about mafia, and prigozhin is a career criminal and now is a war criminal. and whether there is some kind of a reveal that guarantees -- a deal that guarantees his life or moon...

Media closely. is this a reality check for russians mostly insulated from fallout of putin's war in ukraine? >> yet another reality check of this coming home. obviously we have seen in the course of this war there have been, has been a mobilization last year. there is speculation perhaps following this counteroffensive from ukraine we could see another mobilization in the fall. this is something that vladimir putin had been reluctant to do but it's clear from any of the attacks we've seen within russian territory over the past few months that this war has come closer to home, and knowing -- th...

Battlefield and putin's going to go back to situation normal, it's not going to happen. putin has been extremely weakened by this. prigozhin has been extremely weakened by this. the russian military has taken a huge morale blow due to this issue. and actually one of there are greatest tools, one of the greatest assets to this wagner military force of over 30,000 is just off the battlefield. this is an opportunity for ukraine to actually capitalize on this and expedite the offensive. >> do you expect prigozhin to eventually come out of this alive? >> i don't see how that happens. i really don't...

He'll live long because putin can't afford having to -- put in such an awkward situation. it's, again, humiliation all over the face. dictator can't afford to look weak. and putin lost control. and he even talked about recognizing that his mafia state was on the verge of collapse. >> yeah. good point. how seriously do you think, gary, this unprecedented chaos right now undermines putin's grip on power? >> again, he lost prestige. dictator relies on his ability, and he's always the last decisionmaker. everything he says is the law. and it seemed that whatever he said in the last 56 hours didn't...